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The Most Effective Martial Art for Self-Defence on the Street

The best martial art for self-defense in the streets
The best martial art for self-defense in the streets

It has been two years since my last post regarding martial arts. In these two years, I have had the privilege to practice an extremely wide range of martial arts aimed at self-defence, bringing my count to 15 different martial arts in total.

Although some of them, in my opinion, would never work in a hostile atmosphere and would probably get you killed, there are others that I studied that will send the assailants in the opposite direction. I also picked up some practical experience on the way when I was attacked by a guy with a knife, so I can say which martial art I instinctively chose given the situation; it worked.

In my article, I will highlight the five best martial arts for self-defence, in my opinion.

I would also like to state that if self-defence is your only aim and you are not looking for an oriental lifestyle as well, I would stay away from traditional martial arts like karate or taekwondo or aikido. These arts take years to master before you can dare to take on muggers on the street, and even with years of practice, they won't guarantee your safety largely due to outdated training methods that don't prepare you for street fighting. I would like to state that there are exceptions to the norm, though, as with all things in life, but that's an article of its own.

I based my choice mostly on:

  • The effectiveness of the techniques
  • The speed and simplicity of the arts

These are the most effective arts of self-defence I have practiced and the reasoning behind my choices:

5.Fillipino Martial Arts in the Form of Kali and Eskrima

FMA use knives and sticks in addition to hand-to-hand combat.
FMA use knives and sticks in addition to hand-to-hand combat.

These arts have originated from the very wide scope of fighting traditions practiced by traders traveling through the Philippines, as the locals always kept an open mind to effective ways of fighting. The resulting art focused on stick and knife fighting.

Although Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) has a tight learning curve, especially regarding the sticks, it's definitely one of the most potent arts I have ever practiced. The knife fighting is ever developing since new ways to cut and defend with a knife are constantly incorporated into the syllabus. They even have legal live knife fights to the death in the Philippines.

FMA's hand-to-hand fighting follows the principle that the same stick techniques can be applied without the stick since the stick is only an extension of the body. Although the resulting techniques are not too bad, I have seen better.

The main focus of this art is the sticks and knives, and since a person can find some form of a stick or carry a knife around almost anywhere, this martial art is suited for self-defence on the street.

4.Combat Sambo

Combat Sambo is a military fighting form based on grappling.
Combat Sambo is a military fighting form based on grappling.

This is a Russian martial art based mostly on grappling.

Take note that there are three forms of Sambo, and although they mostly contain the same moves, the application and purpose of the techniques are completely different. There is:

  • Sport Sambo, aimed at competition fighting
  • Self-Defence Sambo, aimed self-defence and inflicting minimum damage to the attacker
  • Combat Sambo, which basically is the military fighting form created to inflict serious damage

Combat Sambo is the form, in my opinion, that is the most effective for the street, although Self-Defence Sambo also carries some weight. Since it is a grappling art, you have to train your reflexes, and practice is an absolute necessity before applying the techniques in a life-threatening situation. Once mastered, the techniques taught are effective, since the whole art is based on real-life situations in the military. But as I said, dedicated practice is required. Their gun defence is also very tricky to master, and doing it improperly by just a bit will get you killed. It took me two months of hard practice before I was able to apply one of the defensive techniques. Their striking is also in my opinion a bit underdeveloped but then again with such effective grappling techniques you will rarely be required to strike an opponent anyway. The biggest challenge for the practitioner is mastering the proper reflexes to apply the art.

3.Pencak Silat

Pencak Silat is a term used for a collection of Indonesian martial arts that were developed to combat the Dutch. It has a wide variety of forms, and picking the correct one is crucial for effective self-defence.

The techniques I studied were similar to Muay Thai with the addition of knife and gun techniques. The reason I picked this art as one of my top five was its marginal simplicity, being a bit easier to master than the grappling forms of self-defence. It involves a lot of strikes rather than grabs making it easier to apply, since the area where the technique can be applied is much bigger than in grappling. I found almost all the techniques functional for a street situation. However, a few moves were exceptions and wouldn't be so effective if common external factors, such as the attacker reacting in a resistant manner, kicked in. All in all, though, this art will teach you how to defend your life if necessary, even if your attacker is wielding a knife or a gun.

2.Commando Krav Maga/Combat Survival

This is a grappling martial art developed by Moni Aizik based on Judo. It was specifically created for the purpose of self-defence in real-life situations of today, where guns and knives are usually present.

This, however, is not Krav Maga as created by Imi Lichtenfield, and one should not be confused by the two. I personally think Moni just incorporated the word Krav Maga as a sales gimmick to attract people. Nonetheless, it is an effective martial art, and all of the moves and techniques are applicable in real life. I actually found a lot of similarities between Combat Krav Maga (CKM) and Combat Sambo, probably because both arts have roots in Jiu Jitsu.

Since it is a grappling art, it also has a bit of a learning curve, and practice is required before you could apply the techniques in a life-threatening situation. The striking in CKM has its roots in Muay Thai, but not a lot of attention is given to this aspect. Although the techniques are quite simple, fast reflexes are needed to properly execute the moves taught. Its gun and knife defences are effective, but I still prefer Krav Maga's approach, which will be discussed next. Again there's no reason not to consider this as your primary form of self-defence; you will not be disappointed.

1.Krav Maga

Krav Maga combines many martial arts forms.
Krav Maga combines many martial arts forms.

The first time I heard about Krav Maga, I was skeptical, partly due to the fact that I thought it was a marketing machine, an expensive art that couldn't teach me anything I didn't know. However, it was on the list of self-defence arts, so I decided to have a look.

Krav Maga is mostly a striking Israeli martial art created by Imi Lichtenfield for the IDF and originally had its roots in boxing, karate, and wrestling. Today, the art has been modified to include Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and various other arts. To put it simply, it's militarized MMA.

In all my life, I had never seen such a simplistic yet effective form of fighting. It is so simplistic, I almost felt insulted while learning it. As I am a MMA fighter, I knew 80% of the techniques already, and mastering the gun and knife defences was a breeze. At the same time, I was truly impressed.

The gun defence is so effective that proper application will always leave you with the gun in one second, whether or not you are smaller than your opponent. There is nothing the attacker can do once the technique is initiated except running as fast as he can in the opposite direction. The knife defence is basically Muay Thai blocks with extremely basic jiu jitsu to disarm the knife, also incredibly effective. It also incorporates ground fighting, which is actually just the Brazilian Jiu Jitsu syllabus.

Krav Maga can thus actually be seen not as one art, but as a combination of the most effective techniques for any given situation from any art: thus, militarized MMA. Since it is so basic, it also makes it possible to learn Krav Maga through a book or dvd series. I did the basic course then bought the book and dvds to master the rest. So even if you are a master in various martial arts, take the time to learn Krav Maga, it's truly a noteworthy addition. To beginners, if you are looking for self-defence, I would recommend this as my number one art.

There are a few other reasons I like Krav Maga so much. The whole Krav Maga system is based around natural reactions of the body in certain situations, and the techniques are then developed around this concept. Thus you could almost say Krav Maga will be the natural reaction of the body. This is important for one reason: Once you are in a life-threatening situation, adrenalin starts pumping into your system, and your brain loses its finer motor functions. Meaning if you are not extremely well trained in an art, you won't be able to apply techniques that require steps (which might play a role in the other self-defence arts). Since Krav Maga is based around natural reactions, even a person not so well-trained in martial arts will be able to execute its techniques under stress with relative ease. Krav Maga classes have a tendency to be extremely expensive where I live, though, and classes advance at a very slow pace, so if this might also be your problem, get the book and dvds and start practicing. If you are already a MMA or traditional MA practitioner where sparring is involved, in my opinion, don't even bother with classes, the book and especially the dvd series will be sufficient. That is just my opinion, though.

My Experience Fending off a Knife Mugger

When I was attacked by a knife mugger, I was actually curious about how my body would react and with what art I studied it would defend. It was indeed Krav Maga, but most probably because it was the most natural reaction.

But all of the above self-defence arts are effective, and with proper dedicated training, each one of these arts will make you a serious force to be reckoned with on the street or anywhere. If you truly have the time/years and really want to learn a traditional art such as karate, it is an option since most karate forms will include sparring, which in turn will sharpen your reflexes.

I cannot emphasize reflexes enough, because in the end that is the factor that will determine how good your self-defence will be. Having the knowledge of all these arts will help nothing if you do not have the reflexes to apply it. So actually studying any art that develops reflexes will be a step in the right direction.

One should also take note that striking arts require substantially less refined reflexes grappling arts since the application of a grappling art requires more accuracy.

If you do decide on a traditional martial art, take my advice and do a Krav Maga course in between classes. The knowledge you will gain will always be with you even if the art you study fails. The choice is yours.

If you are a MMA partitioner and wondering how effective MMA is for self defence, have a look at my article discussing the various points of debate around the subject.

Since the world is a big place, I have probably missed many martial arts that are also aimed at self-defence (or at least can be used for that purpose). This article is also based on my personal opinion so it’s not written in stone. So once again, speak your mind.

The list of martial arts that I practice and considered for this list is as follows: Aikido, Jiu Jitsu, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, CKM, Combat Sambo, FMA, Pencak Silat, Taekwondo, Karate, Ninjitsu, Muay Thai, Kickboxing, Pancration, Systema, and Krav Maga.

Comments 422 comments

Searcher 7 weeks ago

I found your article and comments to be very informative, and your patience in answering questions that you've already answered several times very impressive. I accept that Krav Maga is the most effective system for realistic self-defence. My only option for this is InDefence

http://indefence.com.au/about-us/. It's quite a long trip from my home, but I'm prepared to invest the time, effort, and money if it's likely to be highly effective. It sounds good to me, but I'd greatly appreciate any comments from someone as informed as you clearly are.


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Me 8 weeks ago

Tae Kwon do is a martial art that I have done and it works well. I had a bully and once he saw what I could do he decided to do it now he is been taught discipline and has become more calm.


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Angels 2 months ago

What about kung fu?


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Martial Artist 2 months ago Author

Greetings dunno wat dat means,

I mean it is rather difficult to learn for practical purposes, but effective once you have mastered the basics. All the best


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Martial Artist 2 months ago Author

Greetings Razzle,

I would recommend Tae Kwon Do above Wing Chun as Tae Kwon Do has sparring that will improve reflexes, Muay Thai above Tae Kwon Do and Krav Maga or Sambo above Muay Thai. All the best


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Martial Artist 2 months ago Author

Greetings Animesh,

I have only trained in Savate unfortunately, but have found it to be quite effective as it has a lot of sparring. I would however rather recommend Muay Thai above Savate as their techniques are in my opinion more effective. None of the systems however have any knife or gun defences and you would therefore have to do a Krav Maga course inbetween to learn those techniques. All the best


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Martial Artist 2 months ago Author

Good day Kosho Shorei Ryu Student,

It depends on the dojo where you want to train kenpo, some schools focus on realistic training which has a decent self defence training factor and others are more focused on the traditional mindset which makes it less effective on the street. If you can find a good dojo it is a effective self defence option. All the best


dunno wat dat means 2 months ago

u said kali has a tight learning curve in the article. What does that mean? I am asking because I am about to train it.


Razzle 3 months ago

Hi,

I am looking into learning a martial art which will help me know how to defend myself against a knife attacks and just in general from street fights. I would like to take my brother with me who gets bullied at school and I am wondering what martial art you would recommend. A local instructor not too far from me teaches Wing Chun and another teaches Tae Kwon Do, so would any of these be a good option? Cheers


Animesh 3 months ago

Greetings Martial Artist,

I just want to know your opinion about Savate & Paul Vunak's progressive Fighting System.


Kosho Shorei Ryu Student 3 months ago

What do you say about Kenpo?

It is more realistic than TKD, Karate, Kickboxing or even Aikido. Give me your considerations about this Art.


Paul S 3 months ago

There is value in all arts if taught well and practised diligently, but most schools fail their students in not providing realistic practise. You must have the techniques to what's that are instinctive,

but the real challenge is training yourself emotionally and mentally handle an actual fight - which is where your street

thug had the advantage. Controlling the

situation is as much about reading your attacker or would be attacker and leading them as it is a specific technique. I actually got out of several ugly street scenarios what's I was physically outmatched by multiple opponents - not through my years of northern shaolin or kenpo etc. but by what I said and how I said it.


shalva 4 months ago

thanks,by the way your article is great,one of the best i've ever read about this theme


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Martial Artist 4 months ago Author

Greetings shalva,

One can become a very effective fighter in 2 years in both arts in my opinion.

All the best!


shalva 4 months ago

i have a question,im an armwretler in good shape muscles and stuff,is it possible for someone really dedicated to master muay thai and krav maga in 5 years?


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Martial Artist 5 months ago Author

Good day Will1,

Thank you for your comment. I have tried Qi Gong. All the best!


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Martial Artist 5 months ago Author

Good day Jim,

I would advise that you consider Krav Maga and supplement it with Aikido as Aikido will also teach you balance manipulation and core control. If it was not for the lack of realistic training, Aikido would be a very effective art, adding Krav Maga will make it a very potent combination. All the best!


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Martial Artist 5 months ago Author

Good day Dan,

I have experienced Keysi and agree it is very effective, since classes are only available in selected areas of the world I however left it off the list as most people reading this article would not have access to it. All the best!


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Martial Artist 5 months ago Author

Greetings JezZ,

You can try:

http://www.kravmaga-tokyo.com/ or https://kravmagatokyo.com

All the best!


WIll1 10 months ago

Very good article. Its nice that someone includes a reality factor. I've had my friends come at me with whichever take down/toss/strike combination they felt would work best.

What I eventually found worked for me were throws and hip tosses. It was difficult at first, to make them work in a situation where you didn't know what your opponent was doing, but eventually I realized you can, if done very smoothly, redirect your own body weight at the same time you carry out a solid hip toss or throw technique.

It hurts when you throw your opponent on top of you, even in a safe environment, and you do learn how to apply proper force, in the correct direction.

Kali, and Aikido, are two of my favorite techniques to train for what I consider applicable self defense, as both can be done practiced by yourself. Do you qi gong?

Thank you, Will1


Jim 11 months ago

Thank you for your insight on the world of martial arts.

I am seeking a martial art which enhances health through chi cultivation, and also is effective for self defense. I think this limits me to the Chinese styles, and assumes that I can even find a kung fu teacher who truly understands and can teach these elements of chi and internal force.

If I find one who can (and how do I as completely inexperienced even judge that?), do I take a traditional Chinese martial art, or do I take Krav Maga, along with something like yoga, assuming that the kung fu of today will most likely either be ineffective or overly complex for self defense?

The following schools are possibilities for Kung Fu:

http://www.flagstaffkungfu.org/NewHampshire.html

http://www.wushukungfu.net/adultskungfu.htm

http://www.hunggarkungfuliondanceacademy.com/schoo...

http://www.wahlumwellness.com/

And these are possibles for Krav Maga:

http://salemkravmaga.com/

http://akiyamakan.com/kapap-krav-maga/

And there's even a possibility for "effective" Aikido:

http://www.bushikanaikido.com/

I am old enough to not have a few years to "waste" in a school only to find out that the art as taught is ineffective when needed, so I really want to choose the "right" school first.

This has left me so indecisive, yet I need to make a decision. Any advice please would be greatly appreciated, what do you think of the above?


Dan Holloway 11 months ago

Good article! Check out Keysi Fighting Method and Defence Lab by Andy Norman. After 20 years of martial arts including Krav i'd say these are the most functional forms of self defence


jezZ 13 months ago

Am in Japan. Do you know legit krav maga school here? Thanks in advance.


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Martial Artist 13 months ago Author

Greetings Shawn,

Due to Wing Chun being a traditional martial art, I would not recommend it as your option for self defence. Although Bruce Lee did train in it, he also trained in a wide spectrum of other martial arts as well. Krav Maga is combat proven and provides the best chance of defending yourself properly should you need to. All the best


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Martial Artist 13 months ago Author

Greetings George,

Apologies for the late reply. I would recommend Mastering Krav Maga (Volume I) 6 DVD Set -- Self-Defense (Beginner to Advanced), as David Kahn is well known in Krav Maga and you can therefore be certain the instruction you receive is correct. Please do make a point of also attending classes or a course as you have to develop your reflexes to apply Krav Maga, and that can mostly only be done in a class atmosphere. All the best


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Martial Artist 13 months ago Author

Greetings Andrew Carroll,

There were quite a few. My body chose Krav Maga due to being the most natural response. All the best.


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Martial Artist 13 months ago Author

Greetings altec.gs,

Thank you for your feedback. I did not base my choice on the authenticity of the arts I recommended, as I am well aware that Moni's version of Krav Maga is no where near the original form, but on the effectiveness of the techniques. In my opinion it is still more effective than all the forms you mentioned except for MCMAP, which I did not mention as availability to train in it outside the US is almost non existent. All the best


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Martial Artist 13 months ago Author

Greetings Lonhu,

Although the system does contain effective principles, it is still a traditional martial art that is not necessarily based on situations of today. If possible, rather consider Krav Maga. All the best


Shawn 13 months ago

Any idea how Wing Chun stacks up to other martial arts like Krav Maga? I read that Bruce Lee trained in Wing Chun before he developed his own art, and I saw it in a TV show which got me curious.

I've been thinking of taking it or Krav Maga. The latter seems safer as it seems to be a lot more well known in fighting and self defense circles.


george 17 months ago

Hi Martial Artist,

Firstly, just want to say thanks again for your recommendation last year to have my 5-year old son start in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu before moving on to Krav Maga. He just started at ikmftoronto.com last month and he loves it. Doing the BJJ a year before definitely gave him some ease in learning some similar KM techniques.

If you don't mind, I do have another question: I'm thinking of getting a KM DVD course, mainly for use myself (I may end up taking some adult classes at ikmftoronto as well). There seems to be only two on Amazon right now:

- Mastering Krav Maga (Volume I) 6 DVD Set -- Self-Defense (Beginner to Advanced)

http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Krav-Self-Defense-...

- Ultimate Krav Maga Self-Defense Instructional Set (Beginner to Intermediate)

http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Self-Defense-Instru...

Do you have any recommendation for one or the other?

thx, george


Andrew Carroll 17 months ago

Hi again.

Sorry if you mentioned this but what krav maga technique did you use on the mugger & why did you choose this over muay thai or bjj or aikidio technique. Was it simply how you reacted?

What situation did you find yourself in?


altec.gs 18 months ago

I have about 3 years of Krav Maga training behind me with KMG and IKMF, and all i want to say about this article is to please remove Moni Aizik "KravMaga" from this list as it is not original Imi's KM nor anything similar. It is his own bs super soldier uber killer system and i think another system like JUDO,MMA,MCMAP,etc.. would be more welcome here.


Lonhu 19 months ago

Dear Martial Artist.

What is your opinion about ZEN BU KAN KEMPO ?

Founder : Dr. Harnos Imre Hanshi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvodbWfeOvo

they also taught street fighting.

thx.


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Martial Artist 21 months ago Author

Good day Joe,

Capoeira is a very flashy martial art and although one cannot deny that it has self defence qualities, I do not consider it a good option for self defence due to many aspects including have no element of suprise and not being effective for multiple opponent combat. Striking is an essential component of being able to defend yourself and one usually avoids kicks as you risk a lot of balance. Rather try Krav Maga or Muay Thai. If you really want to practice it for another reason then just do a Krav Maga course as well. All the best


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Martial Artist 21 months ago Author

Good day Mubbi,

If your budget is tight, I will definitely recommend Muay Thai. It is not so specialized as Krav Maga therefore cheaper but still provides excellent self defence. Just have a look at the gun and knife disarms of Krav Maga on YouTube and add it to your arsenal as Muay Thai excludes such techniques. Muay Thai is used for Krav Maga's striking techniques. All the best


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Martial Artist 21 months ago Author

Greetings Looking for an art,

EnduranceKravMaga is a good choice, they are true to the correct teachings of Krav Maga. All the best


Joe 21 months ago

Good day Mr. Martial Artist. i would like to know your opinion about Capoeira (Brazilian martial arts) in real life combat situation if you don't mind. I personally have never met anyone training Capoeira, so i was looking for the info from Google, and found out that Capoeira was just useless as we were trying to dance in front of the muggers with knives or baseball bats. I only have been training Shinkyokushinkai for nearly 2 years, so i have a slight wish to mix both arts.

Thank you in advance.


mubbi 22 months ago

Greetings martial Artists.. thank you so much for your suggestion.. I spoke to the instructor on the link you posted.. krav maga seems to be a very expensive martial arts here in Bangalore.. It is completely out of my budget as I am a student.. I'll have to manage the expenses on it on my own.. so what best would you recommend next .. what other than krav maga do you think would suit me best.. I so desperately need to learn one.. One that would be really help full in any real life threatening situation And even in case of multiple attackers it would help me .. thank you for your valuable time


looking for an art 22 months ago

Oh and the 2 main krav maga centers got shut down. Mid south and the other one. So I can't train there.


looking for an art 22 months ago

martial artist what is your opinion of www.endurancekravmaga.com ?

they are affialiated with the krav maga alliance and I think I want to possibly train there. Thanks.


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Martial Artist 22 months ago Author

Greetings Beginner MA,

What is your purpose for training?


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Martial Artist 22 months ago Author

Good day Monolithic,

In terms of your questions, a combination of Krav Maga and Aikido would in my opinion be a very good choice as the biggest problem with Aikido today is a lack of teaching the students the proper reflexes to apply the techniques. Krav Maga will thus make up for that and teach you proper striking and kicking techniques. So definitely a very good combination for self defence. Ninjitsu is largely dependent if you can find a club with a proper lineage which is extremely rare so would not consider it above the above mentioned combination. Aikido is also a very good art to get your children into the martial arts game but would move them over in six months to either BJJ or Krav Maga as Aikido on its own is very difficult to use, in my opinion, for self defence. Kids also like activities and competitions so would actually recommend BJJ or Muay Thai. It keeps them interested and invested. BJJ being the less injury danger of the two. All the best


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Martial Artist 22 months ago Author

Greetings Mubbi,

Had a look at the other club link you sent. I would still rather stay with the original link I sent you as they have affiliation with Israel and therefore insures you get proper Krav Maga training. It is also the most recommended fighting form for the purpose you want to train for. All the best!


Beginner ma 23 months ago

Hi, you seem very experienced in a variety of ma and respectable in such areas. I'm beginning my descent into martial arts and am confused on what one to choose. I'm young and can't travel outside of the UK to receive training, what would you recommend??

Thank you in advance.


Monolithic 23 months ago

Hi Martial Artist,

Just found your site after a Google search. I've never taken martial arts training before, but I'm a former college athlete (ice hockey goalie) and still play competitively and have decent reflexes. I'm a father of three kids under the age of 5. So I don't have a lot of free time and want to make as informed of a decision as I can before I invest time and money.

I have three multi-part questions. The self-defense part particularly is important to me for "street self-defense" and also if I were in a bar fight. So I'm coming from those two possible scenarios.

1.) I am considering Aikido and also cross-training in Krav Maga since I have heard that Aikido takes so long to master. My choices for the above are because I have heard that Aikido is a good self-defense martial art that allows you to defend yourself w/o having to seriously injure the opponent. The downside is that it takes a long time to learn it to the point where it is effective / you can properly apply it. This is where Krav Maga comes in. It seems to cover the areas where Aikido might be lacking in the beginning. I also chose Aikido because I am thinking it is something I can continue doing into my 50's as well. Are Aikido and Krav Maga a good combination or would you recommend something else?

2. Is Bujinkan Ninjitsu (taijutsu) an effective martial art for self-defense? Could I combine it with something else like I am considering with Aikido and Krav Maga? If not, why not?

My last question involves my little ones:

3.) I'd like to get them involved in a martial art. Is Aikido a good choice? My thinking is that since it takes a long time to master and they are so young, they would have time to practice and grow into it. Or is Aikido to much of a "by-gone" martial art? If not aikido, what other martial art would you recommend for young kids to start with?

Many thanks,

Michael

Columbus, Ohio

USA


mubbi 23 months ago

Sir

I am very very much confused

Whether to start with karate or judo or takewando or kung fu or mauy Thai or BJJ or Krav maga or kick boxing or MMA .. I want to learn from basics every thing very clearly and correctly .. Wright from the practitioner level to expert level.. learning the right and effective form of martial arts has been my dream right from my childhood.. And now that I have got a chance to learn I really don't want to waste my Time and money learning a kind of martial arts that would literally be off no use to me... Pls throw some light on it


mubbi 23 months ago

Respect martial Artists this is the one I was talking about..

http://badazz.in/franklin-joseph/

Or

The one there in the link you posted

Please advise :)


mubbi 23 months ago

Respected martial Artists I am very thankful to you for having spent your quality time in replying to my query..

My question is I am very much found off martial arts and want to learn one for my self defense.. I have no much martial arts training I had attended a few classes of shotokon karate in my high school.. which didn't help me at all.. As a child I was abused a lot and also bullied by a bunch a guys.. Respect sir I want to learn martial arts that would help me in my worst situations.. a Real martial art.. sir could you please help me choose the best form off martial arts in india (Bangalore).. I am 21 currently.. I want to learn martial arts that would help me in any worst possible scenario.. You have got a very good knowledge in this field I have been reading all your posts on this website.. Honoured having spoken to you.. kindly guide me choose best form of martial arts.. thank you .. And in case your answer is krav maga.. there are two famous krav maga centres in Bangalore .. The one you've already posted a link about.. and the other one is Badaaz combat academy krav maga Bangalore.. instructor Franklin Joseph..

Thank you


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Martial Artist 24 months ago Author

Hi Bodybuilder,

I do not agree with those statements. I lift myself and found that in my opinion and performance they compliment each other. But it is dependent on the way you train. Muay Thai is a snapping action art and that comes from the triceps. The bigger the tricep the harder the snappier the punch, the bigger the biceps the pushier the punch. If you lift in proportion it shouldn't be a problem. The only disadvantage you do have is the bulkier you are, the slower you are but then again...the harder you hit. So you have to focus on the strong points. In terms of damage you might pick up, it depends on what your Muay Thai training looks like. If you can find a club that trains in proper gear there is no damage as the gloves stabilizes your wrist and hands so, as long as you use proper form and technique you will never have a problem. I found that lifting with large muscle groups rather then muscle isolating exercises (like standing barbell curls instead of lets say preacher curls) do help in-proportion building. All the best


Bodybuilder 24 months ago

Hi martial artist. I was told that it is not good to learn striking arts if you lift weights, because weight lifting is a pushing motion while striking is a snapping motion. Is it really that big of a deal? Are there any striking arts I can learn as a weight lifter? Is it ok to learn krav maga if you lift weights? I was told I should not train muay thai if I am a weight lifter becasue it will cause problems.


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Martial Artist 24 months ago Author

Greetings mubbi,

This will help you out:

http://www.kravmagaindia.in/locations/loc-bangalor...

All the best


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Martial Artist 24 months ago Author

Greetings Jimmy J,

I have tried looking for information regarding Keno 5.0 but I can not find anything regarding the martial art. So unfortunately I won't be able to assist you. You should note though that if a martial is so unknown one has to question it's effectiveness. Rather stick to proven methods like Krav Maga. All the best.


mubbi 2 years ago

Respect martial Artists could you pls help me know where in Bangalore I can practice the original form of IKM... I am very much interested in this art.. Thank you


Jimmy J 2 years ago

Hi Matial Artist

I came to this site searching for a proper self defence system to learn. I found the content quite informative.

What are your views about Jeff Speakman Keno 5.0

They have incorporated grappling techniques as well and also use wrestling style self defence.

Pl. Advice.


John 2 years ago

Thank u sir. It was a grear help.


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Martial Artist 2 years ago Author

Greetings John,

Jiu-Jitsu is not a bad fighting form in itself, if it has sparring it should temper reflexes. But Mid-South Krav Maga seem to have the correct alignment and seems legit as their instructors regularly travel to Israel for training. So they should give you proper Krav Maga training. All the best!


John 2 years ago

Well, it turns out I won't need to move after all and I'm sticking with my major in college. So I guess I'll ask you about these krav maga guys. Like I said the place you recommended me was shut down maybe a year ago so I can't train there. Thanks. http://midsouthkravmaga.com/


John 2 years ago

Thanks for the reply Martial Artist. But the krav place you listed is now shut down, but for some reason they left the site up. I may need to move when I graduate from school, maybe not, I guess Ill ask then. Right now Im training Jiu Jitsu, All the best.


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Martial Artist 2 years ago Author

Greetings John,

Can't seem to find their affiliations on their site so can not unfortunately comment on their validity. Would rather recommend http://www.kravmagax.com/ as they are directly aligned with Eyal Yanilov. All the best


John 2 years ago

Does the krav maga look legit at this place? www.mymemphismma.com

If not where would you recommend I train Krav maga in Memphis. Thanx


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Martial Artist 2 years ago Author

Greetings Andrei,

Since I have been doing it for quite a long time now (7 years), it functions quite well as a supplementary martial art to my Muay Thai and BJJ (main martial arts) as it teaches excellent balance manipulation skills. It is however in my opinion not sufficient as a self defence martial art on its own not taking into account the exceptions. So to sum up it compliments all my main martial art styles and that is why I practice it. All the best


Andrei 2 years ago

Hello Martial Artist,

You say that it takes years to master aikido, then why do you still practice' it ? along with MuayThay, BJJ and KM...

This will not take just more more years to master ?

Thank you, Andrei


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Martial Artist 2 years ago Author

Greetings oldie1,

It seems to be a more modernized style with some incorporated jiu jitsu principles. From what I have seen it should be quite effective for self defence if it is realistically trained, although they still use the lowered guard traditional karate stance which I am not specifically a fan of but that can be modified. All the best.


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Martial Artist 2 years ago Author

Greetings sunny,

Either Krav Maga or Muay Thai will be the quickest to learn. All the best


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Martial Artist 2 years ago Author

Greetings Blonsky,

It will be dependent on your club's training and how much sparring is involved but generally speaking it should give you an advantage, although something like Krav Maga or Muay Thai will make that advantage a lot bigger. All the best


oldie1 2 years ago

Any thought on this style of Karate is it the same as any of the styles you mention? Or what styles might it be similar to?

"Karate. (Shorin-Ryu Matsumura Seito) which is a Self Defense, Soft Style. "


sunny 2 years ago

What martial arts is the fastest to learn out of all of this


Thank you so much 2 years ago

Thank you so much sir for the article and answering my questions. i will betraining mua thai soon, then later krav maga. I will cross train in either aikido or bjj. Whichever suits my schedule best. Your advice made my decision so much easier. All the best.


Blonsky 2 years ago

What do you think about Karate Shotokan? :) Do you think it can be effective against a street brutal fighter (no knifes and guns, only hand to hand)

Greetings!


george 2 years ago

Martial Artist: Thanks very much for your response. Ok, next year around the same time I'll signup my son at IKMF Toronto. It seems at IKMF that kids lessons are only once a week, so my son can still do BJJ at OpenMat the rest of the week.

Thanks again,

George


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Martial Artist 2 years ago Author

Greetings Bobkido,

Thanks for the comment. Glad that you enjoyed the article. That is why I say there are always exceptions to the traditional art rule as some of them, such as your case with the Hapkido, do strive to modernize the training. All the best.


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Martial Artist 2 years ago Author

Greetings George,

Thank you for your kind wishes. In regards to your questions:

I personally would give it a year to get him into martial arts. Kids like stability as that puts them in a optimum learning condition and I think for his age it will do him well as it also is a lot of fun because of the sport element. I personally prefer the ikmftoronto.com club because they focus more on situations then techniques and with his bjj background he might progress quicker then in the kravmagatoronto.com. But both are good options. Krav Maga is only a self defence art so it doesn't have that sport element which helps kids develop healthy self image and teaches them perseverance and and a competitive spirit. You can also see if those KM clubs don't have BJJ classes maybe included in the membership which will make things a lot easier. So in essence if viable for you I would keep him doing both. But it is a parent's choice so it is up to you. If it is a non-issue for you and you just want to teach him proper self defence then the KM will be sufficient. All the best


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Martial Artist 2 years ago Author

Greetings Vg,

It depends on what you are looking for in your art. BJJ is very effective for one-on-one fighting but for street defence where more then one person is involved it might be a challenge. It has to be supplemented with something like Muay Thai or Krav Maga. Escrima takes longer to learn but it focuses more on self defence and street fighting so once again it depends on what you are looking for and how long you are planning to do it. All the best.


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Martial Artist 2 years ago Author

Greetings Jack,

Krav Maga should teach you the basics and proficiency of self defence within 6 months depending on your own commitment. Muay Thai is also not a bad option but for self defence I would rather recommend Krav Maga. All the best


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Martial Artist 2 years ago Author

Greetings Da'v i d,

I personally prefer the Israeli Krav Maga Federation but only because they focus more on situations then techniques and because they update their techniques on a regular basis based on military experience. Do not know a lot from combat krav maga so can't really comment. Urban Krav Maga seems to have a lot of guys from Moni Aizik's CKM so don't expect them to have any connection with the direct Krav Maga lineage. But that doesn't mean it's not effective as CKM was not bad system in itself. Best is to try and see it for yourself. All the best


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Martial Artist 2 years ago Author

Greetings Welsh,

When I started writing these articles I linked my club and name to my profile. As more people started reading my articles some people disagreed to what I wrote and started using my personal communication channels to attack me and debate my points instead of here which was too time constraining as also quite frankly a pain so I removed any personal connections to my profile. So on that point I do unfortunately do not give out my name any more. If you disagree to what I write then don't use my advice. It is based on my opinion anyway. All the best.


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Martial Artist 2 years ago Author

Greetings SeekerOfTruth,

I had the look at the link you posted but it came up as invalid?

All the best


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Martial Artist 2 years ago Author

Greetings Nick,

I had a look at the Todd System CQC system, it all seems reality based so if you have no access to Krav Maga I think it should be sufficient in teaching you combat mechanics. If possible you can also read up on Google regarding Krav Maga techniques or get a book and just add it to the Todd System CQC system. All the best


Ludwig 2 years ago

Sorry but i practiced Krav Maga several years and i also practiced Pukulan/Silat for several. I think its a nice system for people that never practised any form of martial art, but i dont think the average KM instructor can teach anyone that is advanced in another form something.


george 2 years ago

Sorry, a third question that I forgot to ask:

3. Once enrolled in KM, would you recommend my son continue on with BJJ as well? Or just quit BJJ after, and stick with KM?

thx,

- George


george 2 years ago

Hi Martial Artist. Firstly, thanks very much for the article and informative replies to people.

I found your reply awhile back to "cposteve" in Los Angeles -- about starting kids in BJJ first before Krav Maga -- particularly relevant, as my wife and I also have a youngster: A soon to be 5-year old son. After reading your recommendation, I enrolled him in BJJ at openmat.ca near our home here in downtown Toronto. He now attends 45 minutes a day, anywhere from 3 to 5 times a week, and he seems to be really enjoying it.

Two questions though:

1. At what point should I enroll him in KM? A year from now? Or when he just seems to understand balance, etc?

2. There seem to be two major KM clubs here: ikmftoronto.com and kravmagatoronto.com . Would you say that ikmftoronto.com is the more suitable one for our son?

Again, thanks very much for your help.

- George


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Bobkido 2 years ago from Omaha, Ne

bjj is a ground focused art. Escrima is varied. It depends. Self defense is more about standing up. But do not elect to fore go ground training. Going to ground is tricky and dangerous. But I do teach my students to fight out of the ground and get up! The ground has rock, glass and other issues. Sorry...I think escrima for self defense and bjj as an activity or to suplement taekwondo, karate or other sticking arts. Where are you located? I have instructors all over the USA and Korea that I know. Thank you for the question.


Vg 2 years ago

Hi,

I have a choice between bjj or eskrima. Both are fun but unfortunately I can only do one due to time and financial restrictions. What do you recommend?


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Bobkido 2 years ago from Omaha, Ne

Sorry for the misspellings! busy at work


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Bobkido 2 years ago from Omaha, Ne

Nice article. Personally, I have training Hapkido, Judo, Jujitsu and Haganah. I have also cross trained with several other styles as well as training on 3 contentions. Personally, I bounced for 10 years for large bars and fought in tournaments in judo, grappling and full contact karate and taekwondo.

Saying this I agree with most of your statements. I would like to see Combatives from the US military included in this list as well. It is based on several arts included in the list. I have a friend that I have trained in this and it saved his life, while taking others in Iraq. Doesn't more real than that.

My art of Hapkido is another art that has been transform into a self defense system. Some hapkido has no kick or punching some is very different from the traditional form, but the Green Berets trained in hapkido ( which I believe was a basis of Krav Maga and others, in concept at least) in Vietnam because it is about trapping and control and defense. My style of Hapkido is focused on BJJ style ground work, judo,MMA,small joint trauma, taekwondo,karate, and other arts currently. We train in what works, close quarter training and knife and gun defense. We don't let people throw us or jump or give in and tend to spar hard with no pads. I am just saying reality in, reality out in concept through fruition.

As you know the unknown factor is the person who is executing the technique. Me I love to hug people and control them, but i can kick and puck as well....isn't that the best martial art after all...which is our skills used properly, and not the actual art itself?

I agree with your list at its core. I appreciate your insights and your training and enjoyed this article. Excellent stuff!


jack 2 years ago

How long does it take to become fight proficient in krav maga. I like the fact it has knife and gun defenses, but I'm choosing between krav and thai boxing. Thanks. Krav is 2 days a week.


Da ' v i d 2 years ago

I have many years training in various martial arts , both in the UK and Israel, what do you think of organisations such as , combat krav maga ,Israeily krav maga and urban Krav Maga , I believe that the latter of the above to be a good organisation , what is your opinion on all the above .


Welsh 2 years ago

Hi Martial Artist , may I ask what you're name is , since it seems only fair that all of us know who we are addressing , my name is David , by the way .


SeekerOfTruth 2 years ago

http://graciememphis.com/bios/Seth_Tino.html

Hello sir. Does the krav maga in the link above look legit to you? I am thinking about doing krav maga.


Nick 2 years ago

Great article!

If you ever get the chance, I really recommend trying out Todd System CQC. I was looking for a Krav Maga school to address what I felt the traditional and combat-sport focused martial arts I trained in lacked, but found that the closest school was a long way from where I lived and the prices per class were unaffordable for me. I tried the Todd System instead and was utterly amazed. The classes I took focused on scenarios, but we also did bag work. There was also a bit of mindset training: when to fight/run, physically and mentally "committing" yourself to fight when there's no alternative, tunnel vision and adrenalin, and what to do AFTER a fight (no other system I've tried teach those). Here's a video of some of their stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3C190UtgAE

I agree on your comments about complementing self defense systems with martial arts or vice-versa. I still practice leg techniques I've learned from Bagua Zhang and Hsing-I Quan. I learned from a good school that taught both forms and fighting.


Eduardo 2 years ago

Agree, on the streets nothing like Krav maga


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Martial Artist 2 years ago Author

Greetings Welsh,

The Russian military teaches it's soldiers Combat Sambo as well. Systema is a good supplementary art as it teaches excellent balance manipulation techniques and foundations, which is very helpful and effective especially if you are already an expert in hand to hand combat so I can believe it is taught to the Spetznaz. In my opinion and experience it is just not so effective on a stand alone basis. It should be combined and that, in my opinion is probably how it is taught to the Spetznaz...with a Combat Sambo foundation although I can not confirm that. It should also be noted that it is rare that you will get the same form of Systema taught to the Spetznaz, as taught to the public. All the best.


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Martial Artist 2 years ago Author

Greetings Andrew,

The problem with BJJ is that it is not inherently a multiple opponent combat system such as Japanese Jiu Jitsu as most clubs place emphasis on ground fighting which is not ideal for street fighting always. That is why the addition of Muay Thai makes it a better combination for self defence as it makes up for the stand up fighting. Krav Maga uses this combination as well and that is why I recommend it above just Jiu Jitsu. All the best!


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Andrew Carroll 2 years ago from Cardiff

No idea have never practised Systema & know little about it.

I am not knocking Krav I feel it has some solid principles was just curious on the original posters opinion.

Nearly all "martial art/self defence" systems have pros & cons.


Welsh 2 years ago

Hi Andrew from Cardiff .I totally agree with you. I have well over two decades experience in the martial arts and have studied many martial arts including krav maga under both the IKMF and the iki and I'm now studying Systema , just wondering what's your opinion on Systema ?


Welsh 2 years ago

Hi martial artist , if Systema is not in your opinion an effective and realistic martial art , such as when you mentioned the defence of locking an attackers kick between the calf and the thigh , why is it then that Systema is the martial art taught to the Spetsnaz, the Russian special forces


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Andrew Carroll 2 years ago from Cardiff

Hi I would like to ask whether you practice BBJ or MMA?

I think I read earlier that you do.

It is just that I find it surprising that you would recommend Krav for self defence as what I normally hear is "all you need is Jitz bro".

Did you find it that useful?


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Martial Artist 2 years ago Author

Greetings Leon,

I'm glad you found it informative. I would recommend getting a rubber knife, some temporary paint that you apply to the tip and then ask a friend to try and cut you. Defend yourself and see how many paint marks you have on you. That would be a good starting point, you can then maybe ask 2 friends to try to grab and control you and see how long you can or avoid capture altogether and offcourse sparring with a partner. When someone pulls a weapon on you, you are faced with 2 choices which your brain sometimes automatically makes for you. Its called the fight-or-flight reaction where you engange the attacker or run. When I saw the weapon everything went slow motion because of adrenaline pumping in my system and I had a very bad feeling running down my spine because of the threat, but my brain made the split second choice and chose the fight option. As slow motion as everything was going on it felt like a blink of the eye and it was over. I think that should be the general feeling. All the best


Leon 2 years ago

Thanks for the article, I've read it a few times now and found it very informative, realistic and as a person studying Chow Gar Tong Long it gives me an idea on what to look out for and train.

I especially liked your replied comment on Tong Long and how you recommend using Krav Maga as a supplement.

P.S. I've never been in a fight before and the only life threatening situation I've been in, I ran from (3 against 1). I would like some advice on how I can start to pressure test my techniques in a realistic fight situation. How did you start? How did you feel when you were attacked by the mugger?


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Martial Artist 2 years ago Author

Greetings Andrei,

Glad it was of help to you. All the best with your training.


Andrei 2 years ago

thanks a lot :D very useful informations i practiced taekwondo and box and i searched on google like 1 week to find a complex style which will help me out in difficult situations and krav maga seems to be the one


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Martial Artist 2 years ago Author

Greetings nobie,

A good indication is how the techniques are taught and how much resistance the opponent gives with the training. And the final most important test you can try is asking a friend to test your techniques by attacking with a rubber knife or just simulate proper resistance to see if you can apply anything you have learned effectively. Especially kotegaeshi. That should give you more or less an idea. All the best


nobie 2 years ago

Martial artist. How do I know when I've come across a good aikido dojo??


Youngman 2 years ago

Really appreciate the help. You are the martial arts savior.


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Martial Artist 2 years ago Author

Greetings Youngman,

My apologies for the late reply to your questions. Have been out of circuit. You can have a look at Goju-Ryu or Budokan which is effective assuming you can find a good club but Kyokushin is still the best in terms of fighting effectiveness. You should also consider Muay Thai as it helps beginners better to get into fighting with less injuries then Kyokushin and it is known as one of, if not the best, striking forms available. In terms of Sekenpo, they seem to mix Jui Jitsu into their karate, which is always a good thing as it teaches grappling. All the best.


Youngman 2 years ago

Sorry, I see youve already answered about kajukenbo. What do you think about these guys. Ive never heard of their form of karate. http://sekenpo.com/


Youngman 2 years ago

What are your thoughts on kajukenbo for self defense and street. Doest it take a long time to be a good fighter like many traditional martial arts like kung fu.


Myth 2 years ago

Shotokan karate is a really good form of karate; and if you learn taekwondo with it, you offence will be unbeatable.


Youngman 2 years ago

nevermind about kempo. I see you answered that one already.


Brad 2 years ago

You left out wing chun king fu in which was stopped as a sport as people were actually dying from finger strikes the world champion at the time rick Spain won the last world title with broken foot and finger 108 blocks fastest kicks and punches per second William cheong known as the best street fighter in the world trained with Bruce lee


Youngman 2 years ago

also, what are your thoughts on kempo karate.


Youngman 2 years ago

Hi martial artist. What forms of karate would you consider best for self defense, besides kyokushin. Thanx.


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Martial Artist 2 years ago Author

Greetings Bruce Lee,

It is indeed dependent on the MMA club. I do recommend MMA above BJJ because of the mentioned reason of getting training in both Muay Thai and BJJ training. It usually takes 6 months or more to be somewhat proficient in fighting if you train diligently. As for the Gi/no-Gi debate, I prefer no-Gi as I believe it is more effective for self defence. That is just my opinion though. All the best


Bruce Lee 2 years ago

Martial Artist, I have one more question. What arts do MMA classes consist of, or does it depend on what school you go to? How long does it take to become fight proficient in MMA classes? MMA classes are twice a week BJJ is a little bit much which is what I was going to do before. I just thought I could get both striking and grappling at the same time if I took MMA classes. And if its only twice a week I may be able to fit a traditional martial art on the side like silat, when I graduate from college. So it's more convenient, I just want to find out more about it before I do something like that. At first I was going to just do BJJ, while I was in college, but when I graduate I may not be able to train in anything else, because BJJ requires a lot of days out of the week to progress fast enough. I was going to do gi BJJ twice a week and no gi once a week, I read it is highly recommended to do both.


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Martial Artist 2 years ago Author

Greetings RossoPires,

I would suggest you look into Krav Maga and BJJ. If an opponent is bigger then you, you have to even the field with being faster than him to avoid contact and attack his weak points such as groin and temple areas as this is where you will have most success. It is harder than it sounds however since big guys can rage with blind attacks or just grab you. Krav Maga will suit you the best but you will have to train dedicatedly. You should also consider BJJ additionally to learn to react quickly should he successfully grab you as Krav Maga's syllabus might take while a before you get to the same techniques. You can also consider a small but powerful taser to help your cause. Just remember to not waste any time attacking non-effective areas because of his size and muscle density and always protect yourself. All the best.


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Martial Artist 2 years ago Author

Greetings Bruce Lee,

Thank you for the recommendation, I will definitely look into it. All the best.


Bruce Lee 2 years ago

I would suggest you become a registered gun owner, until you can learn to defend yourself through a martial art. @RossoPires


RossoPires 2 years ago

Thank you Martial Artist, great of you to share your extensive knowledge with all, including a lamb like myself who has never been really involved in any martial arts or any serious fight. My parents forced me to do ballet and gymnastics :) as a kid and I was never allowed to engage in any contact sports. Right now I'm in a really threating situation where the ex of my girlfriend (and future wife) happens to be a 1.90 m tough and muscled guy, who works as a intervention force (those guys who have sticks to beat up people) and I'm really seriously thinking of a way to be able to defend myself and my family in any future nasty situation. I have an athletic build as I run every week 20 KM, but I'm slim and have normal muscles and 1.83 cm. What would you advice me to do?


Bruce Lee 2 years ago

Your article has been very informative and I appreciate all the information and help you have given us. I don't know if you need new ideas for this blog you have, but one artice I'd like to see you make is "Top martial arts for defeating much larger opponents." Let me know if you want to do it, Ill definitely read it because that would be highly helpful information.


Bruce Lee 2 years ago

Thanks for the help!


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Martial Artist 2 years ago Author

Greetings Bruce Lee,

Wear and Tear due to Muay Thai is dependent on the Muay Thai club. Our club trains our fighters in methods to prevent damage that make your older years more difficult. We condition our fighters properly before letting them get in the ring and promote the importance of defence above offence. This prevents serious injuries so I don't agree on that point, you just have to find a proper club that teaches it that way. Boxing is about 3 months to become able in the basics. But I will never advise boxing above muay thai as it teaches elbows and knees which are fight enders. But also said boxing is better than having nothing. Still rather consider Muay Thai if possible, just take it slow and give your body time to adapt to the conditioning before considering to get into the ring. All of the best.


Bruce Lee 3 years ago

Hi martial artist. Im definitely going to take up krav maga while I'm in college thanx to your advice I appreciate the article and all the replies. At first after I graduate from college, I wanted to take up muay thai and BJJ. But I am a little hesitant to learn muay thai because I heard muay thai training does a lot of wear and tear on your body that could cause you physical problems when you get older. With that said I thought maybe boxing would be better. It's cheaper and you don't lose to many fights when you are a trained boxer. The only reason I'm not sure about this is because I don't know how long it takes before you become fight proficient when you train in boxing. I know it takes you about 6 months to a year in muay thai, which makes muay thai very appealing to me. So I was wondering if you knew enough about western boxing to tell me how long it usually takes to become fight proficient in boxing in comparison to muay thai. Honestly if it takes too long in boxing, I will just take up muay thai and not worry about the wear and tear on my body. I guess sometimes you have to sacrifice.


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Martial Artist 3 years ago Author

Greetings PHILLIP,

Muay Thai will definitely be the best if you want to learn to become fight proficient in a short amount of time. All the best


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Martial Artist 3 years ago Author

Greetings Frank,

I would consider Kuk Sool Won for a few months to learn the basics of striking and then move over to BJJ. It will teach you proper self defence. All the best.


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Martial Artist 3 years ago Author

Greetings Pemby13,

I have looked at those systems, but they have no basis or history of development outside of their claims so will be cautious in considering them as a choice. Rather stick to systems such as Krav Maga. All the best.


amy 3 years ago

I would not learn this Krav Maga rubbish to save my life it would just get me killed . forget Martial Arts, leave your dojo training at home. when faced with a killer you don't have a chance with a sport Martial Art, all they good for is shows, & fitness.


PHILIP 3 years ago

Hi martial artist. I am torn between muay thai and pencak silat. I want to train in the art that will prepare me the quickest for real life situations. Why? I don't know. I'm not a violent person. I just don't want it to take too long before my training can be applicable to real life situations. For example I heard that wing chun takes years to master before it can be applied to the streers, but muay thai maybe about 6 months. Which would you recommend?


Frank 3 years ago

Yea, they have BJJ--no belts, another has that kuk sool wool, and traditional shotokan in my area. I am looking self defense. I can get in shape at home or wherever.


Frank 3 years ago

Hi, do you think Kuk Sool Wool is good for someone over 50 I have kicks about to my shoulder, and short.


Pemby13 3 years ago

Martial artist,

Thank you for the article. It is helpful to read your thoughts on these matters.

Have you looked into the SCARS, or Target Focus Training? How do these systems compare in ease of learning and effectiveness to Krav Maga?


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Martial Artist 3 years ago Author

Greetings cposteve,

Thanks for the question. In terms of practicality Krav Maga is a good option but usually for kids to keep interest they need competitive stimulation so they can enjoy it as well, I would actually suggest BJJ to start off with as it teaches very important principles of balance manipulation and to just get him in the feel of martial arts. Another plus point is kids love to wrestle and it is generally safe so he will enjoy it as well. Once he gets into it you can add Krav Maga and Muay Thai. KMW in LA has a instructor..Remi Thorne. He gives BJJ classes as well as Krav Maga. Met him briefly when he was in South Africa. Very capable instructor. All the best.


cposteve 3 years ago

Hi Martial Artist, this article is great and your diligence in keeping up with comments and responding to posts is awesome!

Question -- what is a good martial art for a five year-old kid? Here in Los Angeles, I have two good options for my son:

1. KMW school with a KM-X Youth Program, or

2. Inosanto Academy Little Dragons

Goal is physical fitness and self-defense, but also don't want him to draw attention to himself and "show off" like kids did when I was young.

I think KM will be easier to learn, there are not so many belts and tests as I see in FMA at the Inosanto Academy, which I think is likely more structured.

I've trained (not currently active) BJJ and MT with a little KM a few years ago and think you are right to suggest all of these. But for a 5yo boy to get into martial arts and also learn some practical self-defense, what do you recommend?


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Martial Artist 3 years ago Author

Greetings Matheus,

Keysi Fighting Method is also a very effective martial art that focuses a lot on elbows and fighting close to your attacker. Definitely worth having a look at if you can find a proper instructor. All the best


raswin 3 years ago

the best street based martial art is southern kalarippayattu. it includes conditioning exercises empty hand katas effective empty hand fighting knives and sticks. it also includes a lot of effective grappling technique and pressure point strikes.


Matheus 3 years ago

What's your opinion about the Keysi Fighting Method? Is this a good Martial Art for self-defense?


a banerjee 3 years ago

Hi....have you tried Hapkido...and kajukenbo......both very effective...the former more easy to find yet tends to water downed...Hapkido i felt is very effective as its traditional yet modern.......also most koreans practice it very realistically


Ray78 3 years ago

I did jkd for four years never liked the weapons element of it really stupid I know.

Left martial arts training altogether then decided to come back took up Krav Maga been doing that for four years now but I noticed that it does have a few short coming like lack of weapons training so to compliment it I decided to take Silat funny how I like knife and stick fighting !! Must be an age thing !


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Martial Artist 3 years ago Author

Greetings ForrestDM,

Ho Kuk Mu Sul is a traditional Korean martial art. Their techniques do carry some weight but a lot of the clubs don't have proper live sparring, once again limiting reflex training. I would rather pick a combination of MMA and Krav Maga, but if you have no other choice, just make sure you adapt the techniques you learn to work on resisting opponents. A lot of it is luckily based on effective fighting so it shouldn't be too difficult. All the best


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Martial Artist 3 years ago Author

Greetings karate taker,

I have unfortunately never heard of that martial art. It sounds traditional though so might not be best suitable for the street. Stick to arts such as Krav Maga for self defence. All the best


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Martial Artist 3 years ago Author

Greetings Bruce,

Same martial art, different names. All the best.


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Martial Artist 3 years ago Author

Greetings Dionysus,

If you are not planning on using a police man club or knife on an attacker, Krav Maga will be sufficient. They teach muay thai strike which is plenty offensive. Kali/Escrima teaches stick and knife fighting and that is about it. All the best


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Martial Artist 3 years ago Author

Greetings gm90,

Sparring is indeed very important to develop reflexes. A good choice for self defence will be Krav Maga as it will compliment your MMA. Boxing and BJJ will be a good combination but you might rather want to consider Muay Thai for elbow and knee techniques as well. All the best


ForrestDM 3 years ago

Martial Artist,

I was wondering if you have ever tried Ho Kuk Mu Sul, and what your opinions were on it if you had tried it.


karate taker 3 years ago

I would like to know if you think shorin run shorinkan is good for the street?


Bruce 3 years ago

Hi Martial Artist, I was wondering wether Kali was the same as Eskrima? How about Arnis? Are there different techniques all together? Thanks


Dionysus 4 years ago

A s a complete beginner to martial arts, my only real interest is for the sake of practical and efficient self-defense. Your article and responses as they relate to Krav Maga seem like it is the best fit.

However, my question is, the reality is that all attacks, moreso in your home than the street may require some decent offense as well. If outdoors, you want to protect yourself and get away from your attacker, but indoors, you would need to incapacitate your attacker as well, so would Krav Maga suffice, or would Kali/Eskrima in combination with KM be a good fit?

Thanks


gm90 4 years ago

Hi!

I am really into MMA and Boxing put want to learn a martial art for self defense. Most martial arts schools I've visited in my area have little to no full contact sparring which I'm told is very important.

So I am thinking of learning Boxing and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Is that a sensible combination? What could I do for defense against weapons? Perhaps I could do some private lessons in Krav Maga later.....


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Mate8B,

Yes that is a good combo. Boxing teaches more powerful punching strikes than Muay Thai since is Muay Thai is a much more diverse fighting form, so keep the boxing striking and use Muay Thai for the rest. All the best


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Adam,

In that list I would recommend mixing Aikido with Kenpo. Aikido teaches no striking form and they usually neglect training reflexes properly so you need something to train that as well but it is a very good form to learn balance manipulation and wristlocks and throws. Please check if there is no Muay Thai classes presented as that with with Aikido or even just Muay Thai on its own will be ideal for your situation. All the best


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Bernie,

Between those 2 I would definitely recommend Hapkido as it will teach you stand up wristlocks and throws that will complement your BJJ and striking skills as well. Wing Chun takes a very long time to learn (4 years at least) before it becomes applicable for use and it's fighting forms might make it difficult to blend with your BJJ. All the best


mate8tB 4 years ago

Hi!

So i decided to learn muay thai, but i rarely go to classes because they are so far away so i just bought forearm guards and a friend comes over and we train together. however i was wondering, should i punch and defend more like a boxer, or a muay thai person? il still keep the muay thai kicks, knees, and elbows (:

Thanks


Adamskiec 4 years ago

Hi,

what a great thread... I've just spent the last two hours reading every post here.

I'm currently living in part of South America where knife crime is as frequent as traveling to work. Courses are quite limited here but after searching endlessly for the last month I have found the following on offer:

Kenpo, Ninjutsu, Iaido, Kendo, Karate Do, Aikido and possibly Arnis.

Having read this thread I assume Aikido would be the most sensible to take in terms of learning for defense.

Do I take two of these courses or are the rest useless in terms of real life defense. I would love to try Krav Maga but there doesn't seem to be any tuition here in Quito. I would like to learn something that gets me out of a fix... injuries of my attackers are not my priority and I've had several close scrapes so far where walking away wasn't an option.

Thanks, Adam


Bernies wrath 4 years ago

Hi

I study BJJ and want to add a stand up martial art to it for self defense. My options are Hapkido and Wing Chun. Which of these would you suggest and why?

The Wing Chun teacher has been training in it for 18 years and is recognised by the Hong Kong Ving Tsun association and the Hapkido teacher is a 4th Dan under the Korea Hapkido Federation.

Bernie


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NateB11 4 years ago from California, United States of America

A very good and detailed list of martial arts for street defense. I liked that you mentioned Kali and Eskrima, two of my favorites; drills develop good attributes, and weapon training is exceptional. I also liked how you mentioned, in Krav Maga, that you already having a base art helped you to pick things up quick. I found this to be very true too, when I've ventured into other arts other than my base art. Interesting stuff!


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Jud,

Kali with Muay Thai is a good combination if you are looking for a good form of self defence since Muay Thai will teach you proper striking and Kali will teach you weapon usage and defence so a good combination. It comes down to the same setup as Krav Maga, proper effective stand up fighting for dangerous situations. All the best


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Gedgar,

Yes Kyokushin Karate with Judo is a good combination of grappling and striking. All the best


Jud 4 years ago

Ok so I have read top to bottom on this forum. You obviously suggest Krav Maga as the #1 way to go. Then it seems like Muay Thai. So here is the problem...I am 35 fairly good shape, I have NO DESIRE to get into actual tournaments or fight nights etc... There is no Krav Maga school near me and I do not think videos or books will do me any justice on learning. However we do have a school that teaches Kali and Muay Thai. I want something that will teach me hand to hand, weapon to weapon, and street fighting skills. I want the knowledge to defend myself, put the hurt on my attacker and Run in the other direction.


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Hey Gedgar,

Yes that is a legit lineage. You will learn proper Krav Maga. All the best


gedgar01 4 years ago

Hi

Thanks martial artist.

I am going to train in Judo and either Muay Thai or Sanda/Sanshou. And I will add Krav Maga at a later date when I am fitter (I am overweight and have been told Krav Maga classes are intense) and have a solid base to build upon.

The Krav Maga school is run by a man who served in the IDF and trained under Eyal Yanilov, Gabi Noah and Ammon Darsa. Is that a legit lineage?


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Axel,

It will mostly come down to the fighters. Both are good systems but I do agree, KFM does have a very effective guarding system. All the best


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Khan,

Sanda Wushu is one of the few kung fu fighting forms that kept its focus on fighting and its effectiveness. It is a very good form of self defence and I would place it next to Muay Thai on the scale of real life applications. Good form of combat to study. All the best


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Gedgar,

Although some Tai Chi practitioners would like to think that Tai Chi can be used for self defence, I would be very careful considering it as a self defence form. It's main focus is not self defence, it's spiritual enlightenment and health. When self defence becomes a secondary feature, it loses it's realistic usage in today's world. For effective self defence in my opinion, I would rather consider another fighting form. All the best


Axel 4 years ago

Hi, i just wanted to know what would be the outcome of a person trained in Krav Maga vs a person trained in KFM? I undersand that it all depends on the amount of experience the practitioner has but I've noticed that KFM has an intricate guading system so how would someone get past that?

Thanks


Brandon 4 years ago

I have read many of the comments posted regarding Krav Maga (I train in Krav Maga at EDA - Elite Defense Academy under Des Brown, we are affiliated to IKI - Israeli Krav Intenational under Moshe Katz) My personal opinion is that there is no other self defence system out there that you will pick up as quickly and that makes sense and actually works. It has to make sense to you as an individual - minimum effort and maximum results, situational awareness is key for example before getting to the physical stuff, mental state and attitude is very important as well, is Steven Segal's self defence good? probably but I personally dont want to train for many years to learn how to defend myself only to find out that the technique taught does not actually work when I am stressed out or scared or adrenalised and all those fancy fine motor skill moves go out the window when my brain shuts down, train with a rubber knife for a few sessions then get a competent person to surprise you and go at you with a real knife when you least expect it - Big Difference when you realise it is a real knife now! You will probably cock the "perfect" technique up as well. Krav Maga is based on real life situations and happenings, we train for our enviroment specific's in South Africa for example and the threats and methods used here, this will differ from country to country and area to area. I can harp on for hours - basically any system has to make sense to you, sift through the "BS" and make up your own mind. I must stress that in my opinion buying a few videos and books about Krav Maga wont do it, get a good Instructor and train as often as possible to keep evolving as Krav does, there are always variables in life - adapt.


Khan 4 years ago

I just wanted to know how you rate Sanda Wushu style or Chinese Kick-boxing???


gedgar01 4 years ago

Hi

What are your thoughts on traditional Tai Chi Chuan for self defense? I have been learning the Wu style Tai Chi Chuan (slow form). Later I can learn the fast form and pushing hands which I am told are the self defense applications.

Is it a grappling martial art like Jujutsu, Aikido etc?


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Leopard7,

Usually the more fancy a system get, the more difficult it is to apply in real life and the less realistic it becomes. His system has some good points but his demonstrating partners sometimes over exaggerate the effects. And that is where it becomes dangerous for the practitioner in self defence. Some of the techniques do work though and you can always focus on those. I would advise you do a Krav Maga course first though just to have it as a back-up. All the best


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jpcmc 4 years ago from Quezon CIty, Phlippines

During the Spanish occupation in the Philippines, kali and Eskrima were prohibited. To continue the tradition and practice the art, Filipinos resorted to using sticks and canes. From this, the art of Arnis was developed. When the Spaniards restricted even the practice with sticks and canes, the Filipinos incorporated the art in many folk dances. Although the movements are distilled from the original kali and eskrima, these simple movements were used to train and create muscle memory. Today, stick fighting is increasing in popularity. In fact, arnis is now taught as part of the education system in the Philippines.

It is practical and effective. However, many criticize the knife fighting style of the Philippines to be too elaborate an not practical. So far, I’m still alive and surprisingly without any permanent injuries.

It is true that the style is evolving. Incorporating other techniques make the Filipino fighting style adaptable to any situation.


BradMM 4 years ago

Just what I was looking for! I went to a Kajukenbo class last week, my first MA class EVER, and wound up sparring with a black belt. I'm 58 y/o and not looking for a new hobby. I work out regularly so not looking for a new form of exercise... just a self defense class. I also have easy access to a KM class but the instructors are pretty new at it. The Kaju class has a 9th degree bb at the helm but he wasn't there anyway for my class. I have the DVD's and I like your suggestion of just practicing these. I didn't mind the sparring, it was kind of exciting since I'd never been hit by or hit anyone in my life, but I don't think practicing fighting is the same thing as practicing self defense. I just want to defend me and mine if needed.

I may just stick with the KM group and my DVD's because they still have much to offer me and I'm not interested in belt advancement.

By the way, I'm very fortunate, all these options are FREE!

Thank you!


Ambitious Healer 4 years ago

Hi Marital Artist,

Although I no longer have the message which I sent to you regarding the term regiment, it most likely has to do with all the responsibilities that I have to take care of to have a life which is whole in every way: religious devotions and practices; school as I'm studying a masters of theology part-time to become a chaplain; and domestic chores as a bachelor, to eat well and look decently. This is all difficult to do when there's so much on my plate. So it feels like a military "regiment" in terms of scheduling in the right order.

Adding cross-fit as well as JKD as my first step into physical strength and martial arts will enhance the challenge of having a balanced and well rounded "regiment," but will great have pay-offs in the end. Hopefully I will never have to anything drastic but with erratic behaviors of those who are staying in hospitals with a psychological condition, one never knows what situations one has to confront in order to defend others from themselves or other people.

Thank-you for your your advice. With the right order in my life, I shall one day be of good use to those in danger and distress. This is another reason to be grateful for having visited your page.

Thank-you for always giving your best to to those visiting.

Grateful for your good work,

Ambitious Healer


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Hi Gedgar01,

Kokikai Aikido is alot like Aikikai Aikido with subtle differences in my opinion. The biggest problem I have with them is that they don't teach the proper reflexes to apply the techniques in real life, they focus a lot on the Aikido lifestyle and philosophy as well which results in you having to do it longer to learn the techniques and functional side of Aikido. And that makes it a danger to yourself if you need it someday to protect you. Some Aikikai Aikido clubs do focus on realistic training but they are the exception. I advise Yoshinkan Aikido since they are more realistically focused on the technique side of Aikido and not the philosophy of it. The Tokyo Riot Police also practices that form. If you are not aiming on doing something like Muay Thai for striking to compliment your Aikido I would advise you rather do Hapkido since that also incorporates strikes which Aikido does not. They have the same grappling techniques, throws and locks so you won't miss out on anything. Make sure of the club's credentials if you do pick Hapkido since sometimes they just teach Taekwondo with a few locks and not real Hapkido. Just remember to train realistically, whatever you choose. All the best.


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Ambitious Healer,

1. Crossfit definitely since it will teach you functional, in proportion fitness and strength.

2. Could you elaborate what you mean with regiment?

3. JKD is a good form to learn reflexes indeed. The martial art has been experiencing revival lately. But Muay Thai will also teach you that. JKD is not a bad choice to start with though.

4. Muay Thai for a beginner. Kyokushin Karate is a very hard form of martial arts and requires a certain endurance to be able to study, for beginners it might be a bit too demanding. Between Sambo and BJJ it depends of use. For self defence and the street Sambo will be more suitable than bjj. I always recommend a striking art-grappling art combo to teach a student the best of both worlds to ready them for any situation. But I still advise Muay Thai above Kyokushin Karate due to its straight forward fighting approach, since you can become quite able in it in a short time whereas Kyokushhin Karate takes years. So Muay Thai with BJJ or Sambo are both good choices. For a focus less on sport, Sambo might be better, but both are good.

5. Since you work with mental patients you need a grappling form to learn joint locks in order to constrain patients. A form you can consider is Aiki-jitsu, or Japanese Jujitsu that focuses a lot small joint locks. In conclusion for your specific circumstance I will thus advise you do Muay Thai in combination with either Sambo or BJJ. And then do Japanese Jiu-Jitsu or Aikijujutsu to learn small controlling joint locks.

If you train hard in Muay Thai and Sambo/BJJ you can become a reasonable fighter in less than 12 months depending on how hard you train in my opinion. Aikijujutsu and Japanese Jiu-Jitsu takes a bit longer but with Muay Thai/BJJ proficiency you will catch on quick.

Krav Maga is a good form of self-defence but won't help you with controlling mental patients because it's not a system that teaches control, it's a system where you neutralize the opponent with some serious damage in-between. It will however protect you in the street.

The order you mentioned of learning is the same system I worked on so a good one in my opinion.

Ambitious Healer all you need in my opinion is Muay Thai for striking, BJJ/Sambo for throws and ground grappling. Aikijujutsu/JJJ for small joint locks and Krav Maga for guns and knives. If you master those you will know everything you need to be as effective as you can be in martial arts. Kung Fu takes too long. My knowledge with Vietnamese martial arts is too limited to advise you. Ninjitsu and Dim Mak takes a lifetime and won’t guarantee your safety and the MCMAP is more or less the same as BJJ/Sambo in my opinion. Also a good system though. But I would start with Muay Thai and BJJ /Sambo first or MMA classes, get into martial arts and then do AJJ/JJJ and Krav Maga. It’s never too late to start. 30 is a good age to start.

If MMA or Muay Thai is too hectic for you, do Aikido for 6 months then move over. It will ease you in slower and teach you principles of fighting and a lot rolls which is very important


gedgar01 4 years ago

Hi

Thanks for the reply. Which schools of Aikido would you recommend or avoid? What do you know of the Kokikai school? Any good?

What are your thoughts about Hapkido? Would you recommend that over Aikido due to its higher emphasis on strikes?


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Ambitious Healer,

I will reply to your questions in a short while. It requires a detailed and long answer. So pop by tomorrow again. All the best


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Oliver,

Ideally MMA would be better than BJJ, Aikido or Jui-Jitsu because it is a combination of all those thrown together. In regards to the last mention 3...they are all grappling arts but different from one another focusing on different positions of fighting. BJJ is ground based while Aikido and Jui-Jitsu is more stand up based. JKD and Krav Maga is not the same art. JKD instructors do promote it that way though to draw customers. It's a traditional art where as Krav Maga is a war proven military combat form tested everyday on the battlefield. The reason why they seem to practice the same technique, as also why Krav Maga is so effective, is because they teach it your body as the natural reaction when something happens. They teach it to become muscle memory and part of your subliminal mind. That is why it was also created around the principle of natural reactions and that is why it works. Its simple and effective. The flashier and more complicated it gets, the more difficult it becomes to apply. If you can, do MMA and Krav Maga. Those are in my opinion the best combination a fighter can have. All the best


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Gedgar01,

It depends what you want to do with it. I would advise to do both since they will complement each other. BJJ is very focused on ground fighting whereas Aikido is focused on stand up fighting. BJJ is more a sport driven art and Aikido is purely based on self defence. You can have a look at Sambo as well. All the best


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Pax,

The fighting style in the video clip looks like Japanese Jiu-Jitsu or something very similar to it. All the best


Ambitious Healer 4 years ago

Hello again Marital Artist!

I am wondering your thoughts about the following arts They haven't been addressed in the discussions above. I'm apologize if these questions are difficult.

A. First and foremost, Muay Boran. This is Muay Thai's predecessor. Any thoughts? Which would make me a more formidable opponent, Muay Boran or Muay Thai? If I were to find a school that would teach Muay Boran, would it be more effective than either Kyokushin Karate or Muay Thai?

B. What about ...

The Marine Corps Martial Arts Program (MCMAP).

Vovinam - Vietnamese self-defense?

Wu Shu - Shaloin Martial Art and, later, a sport.

Ninjutsu - The Shinobi's (Ninja's) martial art

Dim mak techniques - martial arts that use the "Death Touch"

As you stress realism in training, are any of these realistic? If so, which and where would they be good to study and practice in relationship to the others that you DID recommend:

Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do for reflexes + [(Kyokushin Karate or Muay Thai or Muay Boran) + (Combat Sambo or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu) for grappling] + (Imi Lichtenfield's Krav Maga + Pekiti-Tirsia-Kali + Eskrima, Arnis) for self-defense and weaponry.

Quite an extensive list! But I heard that some people can practice for over fifty years, so at 30 I know that I'm not so hard done by.

These are the arts which I would like to strengthen and be of strength to other to.

Thank you for staying for providing answers for the past two years. I've learned something and am eager to see what your advise is concerning the method I am going about this.


Ambitious Healer 4 years ago

Hi Martial Artist,

I tried posting here before but was deleted, probably because I wasn't registered yet.

I am in need of advice.

I'm interested in knowing as to how to develop reflexes because with no long-term athletic history, the connections between mind and body aren't really there. Is Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do Karate the best method? You said before learning grappling, a martial art that teaches reflex work would be the best.

Afterwards, I would like to learn grappling. You mentioned a few which are comparable (which would stand up to each other well). Some of these are (A) Kyokushin Karate versus Muay Thai. (B) Combat Sambo versus Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. I'm 5'10, medium build. Which from (A) + (B) would you recommend would be best for me? I heard from a previous Krav Maga instructor that some martial arts are better due to reach. I've actually done Krav Maga a few years ago here in Canada for a few months, but was terrible at it as I didn't have control.

Finally, I think I would like to do Imi Lichtenfield's Krav Maga (from the IKMF or KMG school) and Filipino Martial Arts (FMA), Kali and Eskrima: for defence-offence weaponry skills.

I'm not sure if learning in this order – reflexes, grappling, weaponry makes sense – to do it in stages. Does it? I am sure it will take quite a bit of learning, but I'm willing to because you never know what you can expect. There are chances that I might be in hostile situations in the future places that I work as well as being in street altercations. I would like to be prepared.

Thank you.


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Everyone,

Have been off giving MMA instruction. Will attend all your questions tomorrow. All the best.


Oliver 4 years ago

Thanks for your reply, I've been told it's not worth doing krav maga and jkd because there is lots of overlap, what do you think? Also, to choose for grappling between jujitsu, bjj and akido, wouldn't bjj be the best? and wouldn't mma be better than bjj? The other question is, I've watched krav maga videos and it just looks like a fitness test- hours and hours of a few moves, am I wrong?


Lee 4 years ago

I respect Krav Maga, but I would choose to train in Jun Fan Gung Fu/JKD over Krav Maga EVERY TIME if both options were available to me.


gedgar01 4 years ago

Hi

Thanks for your reply. Due to an unfortunate injury which has healed but left problems, I am no longer allowed to punch with my right fist (Doctors orders). So now I can't do Boxing or any punching the fists, I am now looking at a grappling martial art to focus on as my martial art. Which of these would you suggest to train in; Aikido or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu?

And did you write the article on Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu like you did for Aikido? I cannot find it.

Cheers

George


Pax 4 years ago

Thank you for your helpful article, Martial Artist.

I am practicing Krav Maga now, through DVD and books, of course, because there is no place in my country they taught this kind of martial art.

I am very impressed by the moves in this scene. I don't know what martial art he used. Can you take a long and tell me what that is? Thank you a lot, Martial Art. You're the best!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGtnNPZxn-k


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Oliver,

Your combination is good, Keysi is based on the same principles as Krav Maga so would rather advise you take something like aikido or jiu jitsu to improve your grappling. So Krav Maga, Jeet kune do and Aikido/Jiu Jitsu/BJJ would be a good combination. All the best


Oliver 4 years ago

Hi, thanks for your insight- I'm totally non violent and the only fighting I've done is a few sessions of jiu jitsu, nothing beyond white belt. I like the artform of martial arts, but I have a strong gut feeling and have seen others saying you can't expect to perform complex moves and gross motor moves are about the limit in a life threatening situation with a mugger or a gang. I'm looking for the best self defence (in the uk guns are illegal) in a streetfight. I've got a list: krav maga and jeete kune do and was wondering what 3rd art to add? My thinking was krav maga was best for streetfights/weapons and realism, jeete kune do for speed/reflex- bruce lee's adapted version of kungfu designed to be faster against opponents with a level of skill and focuses on efficiency- ie high kicks avoided for vulerability brought. I was thinking of adding either akido or keysi, you seem against akido for streets, what do you tink about keysi? It's supposed to be good for multiple attackers.Feel free to tell me you think jeete kune do won't be effective also, with this I was thinking it might be best supplementary to krav maga in the case of dealing with another martial art opponent.Thanks for your help and time.


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings JKDWC and gedgar01,

The problem with a lot of Wing Chun schools today is that they lack realism and fighting practicality but that doesn't make the fighting system obsolete. It depends how the practioner trains. If you train realistically it will be a good combo with BJJ. The other reason is that Wing Chun takes a very long time to learn even if you do train realistically and that is why Krav Maga is recommended above it, but if you really want to learn Wing Chun then don't let it put you off. With dedicated realistic training and time, you will develop a good fighting system. But I would still advise doing a Krav Maga course inbetween till your Wing Chun is developed to a level where it can be used on the street. All the best.


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ThunderKeys 4 years ago

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Raven Hubbard 4 years ago from USA

I loved this article, and I've been taking Krav Maga for about 3 months now and I love every minute of it. I took Tae Kwon Doe when I was little for a little while but it was all training to prepare us for competition which was fun, but not practical. In College I took R.A.D.(Rape Aggression Defense) a system of self defense excusivly for women and it's taught at most college campuses and that was good for what it was, which was a 4 day class. But I felt like even that wasn't enough and I actually took it twice, the good thing is once you've graduated that you can retake it for free anywhere else, just bring the manuel. Then I started hearing about the new Krav Maga place near my house and checked it out and in one class I learned more effective techinques than any of my R.A.D stuff which was a great building block but wouldn't go far enough in a real fight.

Now I'd also like to comment on how important it is to find not only a good fighting style to practice but a good instructor too. My Krav Maga instructor is awesome. He is a former Marine and is also advancely trained in other forms of martial arts which he'll throw in our training depending on whatever works best. He throws the rule book out the window and teaches us what we'll need to survive and I love it.

The hardest part I think is the conditioning before we learn anything, he makes us fight tired which helps the muscle memory and teaches us to fight when our bodies are wanting to give in. And the weapon defenses and multiple attackers and simetainous counter attack and defend, and the plain aggressivness it teaches us are priceless. But I would agree that the classes are expensive but I feel like it's worth it.

Also one last thing you must have really good friends who help you practice most of mine who aren't involved in the KM run away when I wanna show them something I've learned. But I tell them it's more fun than a gym and more useful than Zumba. So thanks for this article it's nice to see that although my friends think I'm crazy for doing this especially when I leave a class with brusies from doing 360's and some joints sometimes wrapped in ace and a ice pack it's better than the alterative.


JKDWC 4 years ago

gedgar01 and Martial Artist,

I'm running into the same problem as gedgar01; on the one hand, I see where Krav Maga is probably the most rounded martial art ever conceived, but on the flip side, I find myself constantly drawn and intrigued with the Bruce Lee Wing Chun/Jeet Kune Do experience. I only have enough money to train in one.....there lies the problem. What's more important, passion or going for the more well-rounded?

Martial Artist, here's a very intriguing web site you'll probably love to research about....a style of Krav Maga by Moshe Katz. Here it is at http://www.your-krav-maga-expert.com/index.html

It has obscure stuff like fighting in the dark.

Moshe Katz says he's the highest ranked (4th Dan) student ever ranked under Itay Gil (Human Weapon/Protect)and has taken the best of different arts and put them into his style of Krav Maga. From my research here's all the arts Mr. Katz has studied in: Wing Chun Kung Fu, Kyokushin Karate, Shurin ryu Karate, kickboxing, JuJitsu, Kenpo Jitsu, ISC Control Points (Pressure Points), Goshinjutsu Karate, Judo, Muay Thai, Brazilian JuiJitsu, Hapkido, and Ninjitsu. This seems to be a very impressive style of Krav Maga indeed.

This is the most informative and entertaining blog and comment page I've seen. You seem to definitely be knowledgeable about what you're talking about.

Oh, and for the viewing pleasure of everyone; check out how cool Itay Gil is if you've never heard of him.

http://youtu.be/vXniAQnm070


gedgar01 4 years ago

Hi

Thanks for the great article. What are your thoughts on Wing Chun (Ip Man line) and its practicality for self defense?

Would it would well alongside Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu?

I'm thinking of training in Wing Chun and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

Cheers

George


Nii 4 years ago

Well written...couldn't have said it any better myself! Totally agree with everything in the article. And I would have put them in the same/exact order as this article. Coming from an extensive martial arts background and some teaching, I believe Universal Krav Maga is the best in any street situation. And one has to be quick on their feet. We teach to attack attack attack and destroy quickly...then ask questions later. Not only that we do incorporate some ground work in bjj just in case you end up on your back...because it can happen. Muay Thai and Kali is also mixed in there such that you end up becoming a well rounded Krav Maga artist. In Krav anything goes...so it's easy to throw in other art forms while keeping the integrity of the art intact.


Rob 4 years ago

I teach Krav Maga and it certainly works and truly belive having taken bjj and judo that it is the most street effective but when you techniqu against knife or stick or gun goes wrong (it happens in trainng) knowing how to grapple and throw someone saves your butt a lot of the time. I train students what if you miss or mess up then what?......Hit hit hit and more striking....Krav is generally speaking superior for the street though


David 4 years ago

Cheers for the hub, but I think your advice was a little wrong few "chapters" up to one of the guys learning Praying Mantis KF, if it's the Tong Long style then a year of that would make you very dangerous person if you're forced to apply everything you learn in a year. I have practiced Judo and Shotokan when i was very young and I practice Tong Long now and I can assure you that grappling is not something that I want do do, nor do i want to throw someone to the pavement. I can appreciate the MMA guys needing grappling and ground work but on the street that to me has been useless. On the street you want to annihilate your aggressor as soon as possible not attempt to dry hump him on the ground.

Please watch some videos on Tong Long or Circular Tong Long so you an get a better understanding on it's devastating power. I have friends with good TKD skills who thought they could kick their way trough which they did attempt but as soon as they were close they were immediately annihilated. If one can learn Tong Long I say do it, it's semi full contact and sometimes you really hit hard, hard enough to wind someone and you get bruised a lot, conditioning gets you bruised for a few months until you well ... get conditioned but after that you do learn how to take a little damage.

What I have found out is that inherently humans are scared and they have a very high ratio of Flight vs Fight, we close our eyes too quickly when imminent danger is near and we back down, this is normal for a person without any MA training. Krav Maga doesn't fix this at all, i just gives you false hope, if you have 2 years of Krav Maga discipline and someone with the same time spent in say TKD, you're in big trouble. But any MA you do please do add Krav Maga to it! It has a few very basic things like disarming etc. which are not taught.

If you do watch some Tong Long videos then keep in mind a lot of the "slaps" are really meant to be hammer punches, this is sometimes a weakens as I had to use Tong Long in a street fight once and training kicked in and the guy got a few slaps until i realised i wasn't meant to slap, split second later he had about 8 strikes from his neck up.

Best advice I can give is this ... if you life is in danger and your decide to stay and fight, on the street there are no rules, a kick to the knee cap, kick to the balls, gouging, punch to the adams apple are things you should not only consider but be prepared to deploy against your aggressor. But the best thing of all about being proficient in any MA? you don't have to fight :) the confidence is amazing and you can diffuse 90% of situations by just act mature, the other 10% well you can Fight or Flight.

Keep up the good work!


Scott 4 years ago

Hi- I realize this article is a few years old, but you might consider looking at San Soo Kung Fu as well. San Soo sheds the traditional, impractical facets of Kung Fu, and focuses solely on using the body's natural reactions to brutally disable an opponent. A little weak on ground/grappling, but if applied properly a fight against a SSKF practitioner shouldn't get to the ground.

All the best-

Scott


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Earl,

I would advise that you stick to either IKMF or KMG schools since they guarantee you get proper instruction from Israel, which is continually updated from the battlefield. Some of the other affiliations add their own innovations which is not always a bad thing, but it's not always a good thing either since they are usually tested in safe environments based on theory of a situation . And you don't always have a safe option to test them out. All the best.


Earl 4 years ago

Last question. Taking your advice I will be seeking a Krav Maga school since I have not been doing martial arts for a long while or for a long enough period when I did. Which school would you recommend in NYC? The different schools are apart of different federations. They are as followed: Krav Maga Federation, International Krav Maga Federation and Israeli Krav Maga Association (Gidon System.) I will not trouble you too look at the sites of the school but wanted to know your opinion on which Federation of Krav Maga that you would recommend. Thanks so much for all your help.


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Earl,

Both are good systems but in my personal opinion I would rather prefer the modernized JKD since it may be more adapted to today's times than the traditional system. Both are good dvd sets, I only recommended the 1st set because it was the best at the time of the writing of this article. In regards to home learning, if you are already an expert in a martial art with the proper reflexes, home study in my opinion is sufficient. If you however still need to develop your reflexes and is new to martial arts, I would definitely rather advise to join a club since that is the only proper place where you will develop it and have instructors correcting you where necessary. All the best


Earl 4 years ago

Thanks so much for the input. Btw could you tell me what is your take on which might be better in your opinion the traditional or the modernized JKD. Also previously you recommend to another person posting that you recommend the 5 dvd Krav Magav http://www.amazon.com/Krav-Maga-Complete-5-DVD-Set... How does that measure or differ to this 6 dvd set http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Krav-Self-Defense-... Lastly Is it really practical to learn Krav Maga at home since the schools always run scenarios also with multiple assailants and reflexes are only developed with live sparring.


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Earl,

I haven't trained at either of the schools so will unfortunately not be able to give a personal opinion but I had a look at both. Both seems to be authentic schools in their own right. The New York Martial Arts Academy will teach authentic Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do which is as close to Bruce Lee's JKD as you will ever get. They are affiliated with the Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do Nucleus which is run by Bruce Lee's family. On the other hand Anderson's Martial Arts Academy is affiliated with Dan Inosanto who is also a legend in his own right in JKD. He teaches a more modern version incorporating elements of other arts such as BJJ into his syllabus. So it depends on what you are looking for. Both schools seems to provide quality training with the one teaching traditional and the other modernized JKD. All the best


Earl 4 years ago

What is your opinion on the JKD school New York Martial Arts Academy and the JKD at Anderson's Martial Arts Academy? They are both in New York? What do you think of their instruction?


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings George,

I would definitely recommend Krav Maga for empty handed defence as the more effective between the two as also because you already do boxing so they will compliment each other. All the best


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Thanks for your kind comments Mat and Kieran. All the best


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Mate8b,

You must remember that Muay Thai teaches the student to protect himself in the neutral stance and to always cover the most important parts of the body even if it means sacrificing some offensive power, this is very important because if someone stabs you in the face or neck it doesn't really matter how hard or fast you can hit. Defence first. They also keep that stance since the body is so well conditioned that the stomach and rest that's not covered actually forms part of the defence. I can believe it's quite a change for you. You must remember Muay Thai fighters are tanks. They might not be the fastest, but they are rock solid. Also Muay Thai is not for everyone and if it doesn't accommodate you then try MMA which is also a good, possibly even a better, choice since it will teach you proper grappling as well which is also a very important aspect in fighting especially learning how to get up as quickly as possible if you hit the ground. All the best


George 4 years ago

Hey man, would you recommend filipino martial arts or krav maga for defending empty handed against knifes/sticks/baseball bats etc. I do boxing but would like to add some weapons traning not to fight with weapons just to defend agasint them with my hands. really good discussion by the way one of the best i have read.


mate8tB 4 years ago

Sorry for spamming with another post but my gym also does mma, BJJ, and wrestling. Should I do mma or stick wit the Muay Thai?


Mat 4 years ago

Great rundown and reflections. THANK YOU.


Kieran 4 years ago

hello, i started krav maga 6 months ago and abslutely love it, however a lot of people i train with don't have any martial arts experience and really struggle with the sparring part, i comepletely agree with your opinion that it's the number 1 for self defence but i think it really needs to be cross trained with a good striking art to be effective in all situations, krav on it's own is lethal against a normal joe sobe on the street but wouldn't be effecive against a skilled fighter, on the other hand a skilled fighter doesn't usually attack people out of the blue which is really what is krav is made for, i could be wrong but just my opinion, anyway keep up the good work, fantastic article and some very good comments.


mate8tB 4 years ago

Hi again Martial Artist,

SO i went to a few muay thai classes and i find the whole putting your hands up over your head thing not that comfortable feeling because it doesn't leave you too free, also the lack of movement and speed is quite strange, should i just keep persisting because it will be better than karate in the long run?


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Dave,

FMA is not so similar to Krav Maga as you think. They have completely different fighting styles actually. FMA concentrates a lot on stick and knife fighting and how to fight with these weapons while official Krav Maga (not the exceptions) only teaches the student how to defend against such weapons. Krav Maga also uses Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu in hand-to-hand combat while FMA has their own system of hand-to-hand combat. They follow the principle that the same stick techniques can be applied without the stick since the stick is only an extension of the body. So if you do FMA it will definitely benefit you since you learn how to properly fight with sticks and knives. I prefer Krav Maga's hand-to-hand combat between the 2 but the stick and knife fighting of FMA is second to none. All the best


Dave 4 years ago

Hello there,

i have been trainig in krav for nearly a year now really enjoy it, so much more realistic than previous martila arts i did, i have one question for you there is a very popular fma school close by, would it be a good idea to combine the fma and krav or are they too similar, thanks in advance.


mate8tB 4 years ago

Thanks a lot Martial Artist for the advice! I think il go with Martial arts then and learn Krav Maga for a few weeks when i hit 18. Thanks again!


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Mate8tb,

It depends on what you are looking for. For plain hand to hand combat and looking quite good doing it, Muay Thai will be the best option. Krav Maga teaches you how to neutralize an opponent the quickest and that includes a lot of dirty fighting like kicking the guy inbetween the legs etc. And they also train that a lot, so if you want a clean victory Krav Maga might not be the best option. Its hand to hand is Muay Thai but because of so many other situations it also includes, specialized attention is not given so much to the clean form of hand to hand putting you at a disadvantage if you fight someone constantly training for that. For overall self defence I will recommend Krav Maga though since it includes knife and gun defences al well. Since you did karate so long, it probably did train your reflexes quite a lot so you will catch on very quickly in Muay Thai. All the best


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Sam,

Jeet Kune Do have been making a comeback lately into the main stream. It's a very effective martial art as long as you find a proper school teaching correct technique and form. One of the best aspects of JKD is that it teaches very close combat teaching the student to strike effectively in very short spaces with maximum damage. Just make sure it's a good school. All the best


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Steve,

I would definitely recommend Muay Thai to cross-train in since the two fighting forms compliment each other and one helping develop the other. Krav Maga uses mostly Muay Thai for striking but it focuses on other aspects as well so training specifically in Muay Thai as well will be an excellent addition. All the best


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Pete,

I've seen Rukopash, not sure if it's the same form but it looks like an art where the people throw themselves without even proper contact. If it is the correct form I am referring to, it will get you killed or seriously injured and I will not recommend it in any circumstance. Stick to the proven methods like Krav Maga. All the best


mate8tB 4 years ago

Hey mate!

Ive been researching martial arts for the past few months because i got into trouble with some guys that know muay thai and keep trying to fight me. They've only done say a year of muay thai they're not that great ive done around 4 years of karate but karates just not practical. I mean im physically a lot better than them but i think they would still beat me. I was thinking of doing either Muay Thai or Krav Maga because from what ive read those two are the most effective in a fight.So basically should i learn Muay Thai or Krav Maga to defend myself, and how much better is one than the other, because if theres not much difference il just pick the one that is easier for me to get to. Thanks! also im 16.


Sam 4 years ago

what are your feelins on JKD.


Steve 4 years ago

Hey martial artist, if you could pick one martial art to cross train with krav maga what would it be? one that combined with krav would make you a fromidable fighter against a trained or untrained opponent? i was thinking muay that but what would you say?

thank you


Pete 4 years ago

My question was directed towards martial artist


Pete 4 years ago

I saw a demonstration of this and it looked quite impressive though Im not sure where it would stack up against other martial arts like Muay Thai


Pete 4 years ago

Greetings Mike

Have you ever heard of the Ukrainian martial art Rukopash/Boyovi Hopak (The fighting hopak)? Which is a combination of ancient Cossack fighting and more modern fighting techniques. Do you think this would be a very effective martial art or do you think it would not be any good in a fight and it is just for show?


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Mike,

Krav Maga Worldwide focuses a lot on techniques while the International Krav Maga Federation focuses on situations rather than techniques. Where Krav Maga Worldwide will learn you proper technique first, IKMF gives you basic info and puts you in a situation where you have to defend yourself. So you will learn practical fighing and defence in the IKMF a lot faster while in KMW you will first learn proper techniques which takes quite long. Krav Maga Global has the same training as IKMF. The founder left the IKMF and founded KMG so they are both very good schools. I have no experience or knowledge of the EKMF organization so cannot comment on their training unfortunately. But the main guns are the IKMF, KMG and KMW. KMW has a lot of American influence so if you want to learn the pure Israeli form stick to KMG or the IKMF schools. They get their developments straight from the battlefield so you know it works. All the best


Mike 4 years ago

hi there, really enjoyed the article and all the comments. my background is in boxing and am very interested in starting krav maga from what you have wrote about it, my question is what are the differences between the organisations and which one is best to train, within travel distance there are 2 ikmf schools, 1 ekmf, 2 krav maga worldwide, and loads of krav maga global - the gobal instructors seem to be appearing all the time and all the global instrucotrs seem to have a tae kwondo background, is there any one in particular that i should join? thanks.


Aidan 4 years ago

thanks for the quick reply, much appreciated, there's jiu jitsu close by so will try that out, take care.


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Mbeck,

I would advise you to look into Krav Maga. They teach you pressure points and other weak places to strike an opponent. You must remember that a person is only as strong as his weakest link. So it is crucial for a physically weaker person to know these points and also proper striking form and reflexes to attack them. Otherwise you just end up against the fence or worse...dead. Krav Maga will teach you all of these and more. All the best


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Guest,

KFM is relatively a new form fighting that developed recently. I was rather impressed with them and the way they handle situations. The also take a lot of principles from Krav Maga. It's a very good form to study and will teach one proper self defence. Their clubs are still just relatively scarce but it's a very good art to study. If I knew about them at the time I wrote this article I would've definitely included them at the top. All the best


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Aidan,

I would advise that you have a look at Sambo or CKM. Since the arts are more focused on grappling, they will teach you joint manipulations and holds etc. You can always also just join a few jiu jitsu classes and learn some techniques there if you do not have access to Sambo or CKM. Close Quarter Combat is a generic term and can be anything from Karate to Kung Fu so would double check the content of that which they teach. It's always the easiest to call your club that then you don't have to worry about showing any form of accreditation and basically teach anything whether it works or not. All the best


mbeck 4 years ago

In your opinion, what is the most effective martial arts for a small woman in a physical confrontation with an angry guy? I would like to be so effective as to always be able to get out of a rape situation, mugging, etc and leave a nasty scar on them if possible. The other day I saw a guy throw a girl into a fence and start to punch her. I was with a group of guy friends and told them to turn around so that we could go save her...they didn't. It got me to thinking that if I was the driver I would have turned around but, than what would I do. The attacker was a husky guy and I'm not. In a perfect world I would have been able to do throw him into the fence and scare the piss out of him with my awesomeness of lethal moves but in reality I would have probably been thrown into the fence too.


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kjrzeek1 4 years ago from New Jersey, USA

Great info and hub. I currently hold a purple belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and recently have been training in Krav Maga. For self defense you cannot beat Krav Maga and the animal instinct it uses. Strikes to the eyes will deter any one no matter what belt he holds or how many fights he has been in. We train with head gear and swimming goggles so we can make eye strikes as realistic as possible without getting hurt. MMA and Krav Maga and you are set for self defense, but unless you are getting punched in the face while you are training nothing can prepare you for an actual physical confrontation.


Aidan 4 years ago

great article, really enjoyed reading it. i've two question, 1. i've trained in muay thai for 7 years and would be fairly effective at it, i am doing some security work soon and would be interested in learning something less violent which i can use mainly for joint locks etc. What would you recommend? something with a tight learning curve 2. there is a new close quarter combat school opening up near me it's part of a well known school in the uk, have you trained much in close quarter combat or is it just another term for krav/mma?


Guest 4 years ago

Very good article!!!

I am looking forward to see your thoughts on KFM.


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Hey Ryan,

If you fight a trained opponent it will always be a challenge but depending on your own level of Krav Maga or CKM you should be able to hold your own and also depending on the martial art the other opponent is versed in. In terms of shortest amount of time to master an art I would definitely recommend Krav Maga since its based around natural reactions, your body will adapt to its techniques the quickest. All the best.


ryan 4 years ago

Also to add which martial art that you have trained in that takes the least amount of time and most efficient method(s) of overcoming an opponent that has at least a decent amount of training?


ryan 4 years ago

Like the article but i gotta ask a question do sambo ckm jiu jitsu and krav maga compensate for a trained opponent in the training?


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Steve G,

Somebody else asked me that as well up on the comments. The Systema that I practiced I wouldn't recommend as a stand alone form of self defence since a lot of the techniques involved unrealistic ways of disarming an enemy that in my opinion won't work and just get you killed. They do however teach very good balance manipulation which could be very beneficial if you add that to other arts such as grappling forms of martial arts. This was my previous answer that explains my view:

"My personal opinion about systema is a bit biased. Although they have good priciples they teach students, the techniques they taught me will never, in my opinion, work in a life threatning situation. They don't take the resistance of the opponent into account. For example a defence they taught me was when someone kicks you, you catch his foot between your calf and upper leg, lock it, and throw him. On the street I can't see that working since the opponent has too much leverage to control his balance. But I would definitely recommend systema as a suplementary martial art since the principles of balance manipulation will help develop you main martial art especially if it's a grappling martial art. Some systema schools I see also incorporate muay thai striking as well. If you can find one of them you can't go wrong."

All the best


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Hi Kung fu panda,

The problem with a lot of Kung Fu schools today are that they use outdated training methods that do not prepare you for real fights actually putting your life in more danger than without it. But Kung Fu as a system can be effective if the practitioner trains realistically since the system focusses mostly on speed. It does however still take a very long time before you become proficient in it, 6+ years in my opinion. And even that doesn't guarantee your safety since it's methods is still centuries old and not accustomed to today's street fights with guns and knives. If you train diligently it will however provide an edge over an enemy with no formal training. All the best


Steve G 4 years ago

Any thoughts on Systema? I hear gods things, I hear bad things.

But can't seem to gather any actual info. I've trained in krav maga for two years, kempo for three years, and have some (very limited) experience with wing chun, and aikido.


kung fu panda 4 years ago

What are your thoughts on Kung Fu in general? Although it may be more traditional and harder to learn, would it be effective in today's world? Or is it too show-y and choreographed to be of any use?


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Hey T rex,

I would definitely say that's a good combo if not one of the best. MMA is mostly a mix of Muay Thai and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu so the club does fulfil the requirements of MMA in my opinion. All the best.


T rex 4 years ago

Hey Martial Artist, great article.

I found this place close to my house which teaches MMA, but it is really a mix of Jui-Jitsu and Muay-Thai. Would that, in your opinion, be a deadly combo? (I don't want to kill anybody, I just use that figureatively.) Thanks.


Android 4 years ago

Thank you so much. Your responses have been very helpful. I am on break from school right now, so I think I'll check out some nearby MMA schools. However, just as you mentioned, this Kempo school incorporates sparring as part of almost every class. Also, I know for a fact that it is certainly not a "McDojo". It is owned by a grandmastser, who also is like the head of the boxing committee of our state or something like that. My friend has been training for like a year and he is only on his orange belt. Either way, I will definitely check out some MMA places and look for some books or magazines for other arts.

Thanks again!

-Android


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Hi Android,

Nothing beats Krav Maga for serious street fights, but it's because you do very serious damage with Krav Maga which is not always suitable for less serious situations. You must remember that fighting is mostly about reflexes, since MMA has no religion or philosophical context it's only about fighting. That is why you can become very well versed fighter in a very short time. If you do enjoy Kempo and it's close to your home it might suit your preferences better. Just remember to train realistically and always test everything with resistance from the opponent so that you are trained for such situations since that's what you can expect from a real life fight. If Kempo has sparring and trains your reflexes well you are on the right path. I would advise to get some MMA and Krav Maga books and mix things in though. You can never know too much. All the best.


Android 4 years ago

Thank you so much. I will look for MMA schools nearby. However, my only question would be MMA's effectiveness in the future, and in more serious fights. In, say, a street fight, would MMA be more effective than Krav Maga? Also, the form of Kempo that my friend takes teaches a lot of throws and real life defenses: E.G. shirt grabs, attacks with baseball bats, etc... If I start, I would be going to the same place because of its closeness to my home. In that case, would you still recommend MMA?

Thanks again!


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Silvir,

Judo is an adapted form of Jiu Jitsu and focuses only on throws where as Jiu Jitsu focuses a lot on small joint manipulations. If you find a good school it's a good art to study. It does take some time but not nearly as much as an art such as Aikido. Since you do Judo already you might progress rather quickly actually in Jiu Jitsu since a lot of the principles are the same. Go for a class and test it for your self. All the best


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Android,

Kempo is a good art to study and will teach you striking skills, I would however rather advise you to maybe look at MMA for your purposes of handling bullies. MMA will teach you Muay Thai striking which is one of the the most effective forms of striking and will teach you how to use knee and elbow strikes that can sort out any bully. Grappling for bullies can actually be more effective than striking if people grab you (bullies has a tendency to push you around and grab you here in South Africa) and will teach you how to throw your attacker quickly which will scare them off most of the time. It also won't harm them too much, just enough to make them think twice before they try something stupid next time. MMA teaches these throws. MMA also carries a reputation so that in its own right usually deters bullies. But the choice is yours. If you do choose MMA look for a school that goes easy on beginners to help you ease into MMA training. All the best


Silvir 4 years ago

Hi love the article and found it most informative.

I wonder what your thoughts are on Jujutsu and is this something demands a lot of time and discipline to practice?

I am currently training Judo but i find my self restricted and it's only in a competitive form which is of low interest to me.


Android 4 years ago

Great article and informative comments!

So, I am a 7th grader looking for a martial art that would be good just to hold my own against kids that are bigger and stronger than me, and would want to bully me (nothing too serious, though). I agree that KM is highly effective and I would do it if I could, but my dad says it is too violent. Also, there are no nearby places that would teach kids in my age group. That said, what would you recommend?

An older friend of mine does American Kempo, and he knows a lot of cool techniques and situational responses that he has shown me. They seem effective and good, although not nearly as sufficient for a street fight as Krav Maga. I know that it is a striking art, but I don't really need to know how to grapple (at least for now). What is your opinion?

Thanks!


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings Guys,

Please note that I will only reply to questions asked and posts that I really don't agree with. I do read everything though and do appreciate all your comments and opinions. All the best.


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Hi Shriram,

Kalaripayattu is a very old and traditional martial art which brings the training methods in the possible category of outdated. I have never had any personal experience with it though so cannot comment on its effectiveness. Just remember to train realistically. I would advise though to rather, if possible, choose a more modern art. If not possible, Kalaripayattu is a fighting form so will still teach you basic combat skill which is already an edge above an attacker. All the best


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Hi Raiden,

Possibly. But Jeet Kune Do will take a lot longer to learn. Also when you say gun and knife techniques, do you mean Krav Maga knife and gun techniques? If you do it will be a good combination and you will have a good self defence system. Just remember to train realistically. All the best


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Greetings MJ,

Kyokushin Karate is a very hard and effective form of karate. They actually match Muay Thai if opponents fight each other. So in my opinion a good form to practice. Just learn the knife and gun defences of Krav Maga. All the best


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Hi Aaron,

I would recommend Krav Maga. Since you are small Krav Maga teaches you pressure points and how to effectively avoid attacks from bigger opponents. A big person is only as strong as his weakest link. It will also teach you proper striking and grappling. All the best


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Hi Flipflop,

If you are looking for self defence nothing will compare to krav maga. Especially if you want to protect your joints for older age. It might just be the Krav Maga club you visited. Krav Maga teaches muscle memory so there is a lot of repitition so that it will be your natural reaction if you have to react. But it's not choreographed in which case I would say try another club first. Muay Thai is a good alternative if you do decide against Krav Maga. All the best


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Martial Artist 4 years ago Author

Hi Jay,

Ninjitsu and hapkido are both traditional arts so take very long to learn. A good quality ninjitsu dojo with a legitimate lineage is also very difficult to find today. Most don't teach the pure form so I would say be careful. hapkido is quite a good form of martial arts to study. Teaches joint locks and striking. Would however rather recommend muay thai or mma if your aim is just to learn to fight. All the best


Matt Kovsky 4 years ago

Have a look at Guided Chaos, created by former forensic crime scene expert. Many endorsements, focuses on adaptation and improvisation.


Simpson 5 years ago

for the best RBSD system you really need to check out senshido


Shriram 5 years ago

What about Kalaripayattu? What's its effectiveness?


Raiden 5 years ago

I hear a lot of good things about Jeet Kune Do , i want to know weather Kraw Maga will be more effective than Jeet Kune Do combined with Gun and Knife techniques


MJ 5 years ago

What are your thoughts of Kyokushin (Kyokushinkay) Karate ?

Thanks


pepsiman 5 years ago

i honestly think there is no such martial art that is more effective than the others.. it is only a technique applied better.. a simple punch can be deadly enough though, if it is applied with the right speed, proper power and aim to the weakest location (neck, solar plexus, groin).. even krav maga itself, just like one of the dude above says, was based from observing other traditional martial arts movement.. i myself train in karate and western boxing..


Me 5 years ago

I am a learner at aikido.The criticisms I get from people are "in demo's" no one is putting up maximum resistance.People believe it not to be real pratical.I disagreee when we practice we will grab one anothers wrists in real life people that attack do a lot of grabbing


5 years ago

I like how everyone hates on wing chun (on martial arts forms in general) and then say that krav maga is the best art, because every time I see krav maga, they're doing wing chun techniques. (including the two pictures in this artical


Aaron 5 years ago

Martial Artist,

Really enjoyed reading your article... very informative. Here's my situation that I wanted to get your input on. I am 5' 10" and weigh about 145 lbs. So, as you can see I'm a small guy. Therefore, my whole life I've always had to deal with bigger guys trying to single me out for fights. In one instance I had a guy take a beer bottle to my face. Although, I don't instigate fights or go out looking for fights. Actually I'm quite the opposite... I clam up when someone confronts me and I immediately try to figure out ways to get out of the situation without a violent confrontation. Afterwards I'm pissed off at myself for not fighting back but it always happens that way. Anyways, seeing as how I'm a small guy with zero prior martial arts or fighting experience I was curious as to what self defense form you would recommend I study and train? I'm looking for a self defense technique that will allow me to defend myself in a street situation so that I am able to incapacitate my attacker quickly and severely enough that they cannot come after me. I'm not looking to hurt anyone bad enough that it permanently injures them or possibly kills them though. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm know I'm going to always be singled out due to my small frame but when it happens I want to be able to make my attacker regret their decision. Thanks for all of your help.


Kraver 5 years ago

I would like to add that the Krav Maga School I train at is not associated with 'Krav Maga Worldwide' or 'Commando Krav Maga' (probably the two most well known). Also I mean no offense to the poster or host of this page who's comments I commented about previously


Kraver 5 years ago

Just a comment about some comments about Krav maga.......

I see one comment posted by 'SIFUJOSH' saying that krav maga is like wing chun without control, well I guess it depends on where and who you learn it from, but I practice Krav Maga and were are very focused on control, in fact one of the first thing my instructor told me is that accuracy is of extreme importance. I think accuracy definitely requires some control would you say?? Power is nothing without control. Also about the not learning to handle weapons comment by 'MARTIAL ARTIST' again I gues it depends on your specific school, buy we do lots of weapons training, primarily knife and firearms, but also stick and improvised weapons training as well. In fact a couple of months ago The school I train at held a 16 hour seminar over the course of two days specifically devoted to knife combatives (as well as regular knife training during classes). We also go out and do firearms training at least once a month. But I suppose I am fortunate in having the instructor that I have. I suppose It is possible that we simply train harder and more effectively than others.


Flipflop 5 years ago

I'm 29 (old I know!), 5ft 10 and weigh about 10 1/2 stone. I wouldn't really describe myself as tough! I'm looking for a martial art that would suit my body type and allow me to have a fighting chance of survival on the street if I get attacked by someone(s) bigger than me. I did judo for 4 years as a child, but it seems that you have to be quite well-built to do well at it as an adult. I also got to a red belt in taekwondo, but just felt I was learning to quickly tap people for competition. I know you recommed Krav, but giving it a go I found that it seemed very choreographed and half the lesson seemed to be brutal cardio rather than technique (with no sparring). I just wondered whether you thought I should go back and give it another go. Otherwise there are other arts like Jiu Jitsu, BJJ, Aikido, Karate, Judo, Wing-Chun, 5-animal Kung Fu, Muay Thai, standard kick-boxing and a dodgy-looking JKD club in the area and I'm not sure what to opt for. I'd prefer not to do anything where all the instructors have had hip/knee replacements by the time they're 40 or where you're likely to receive brain/nerve damage. Your advice would be very much appreciated!


jay 5 years ago

thinking of ninjutsu or hapkido any advice


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Martial Artist 5 years ago Author

Hey Koolkane,

Well it depends on your training then. If you train diligently it is always better to learn more and in that case gi-grappling will be better if you learn all the no-gi techniques as well. Usually though in gi-grappling the no-gi techniques are neglected to focus more in gi-techniques that work more efficiently. But if both systems are properly taught then gi-grappling will in that case be better. All the best


koolkane 5 years ago

So no gi is usually more effective for self defense but what about for MMA? obviously MMA competitions are no gi but you learn all no gi in gi training, and some say that having the knowledge in all of gi improves your no gi skills... What is your opinion?


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Martial Artist 5 years ago Author

Hey Kane,

I'm definitely a pro-no gi fighter since people on the street do not usually wear such thick attire depending on where in the world you are. A lot of techniques with gi grapping requires the gi to be effective so trying that on the street might get you hurt. One thing I will say about gi grappling is that you learn a lot faster how to manipulate your opponents balance which is good. All the best


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Martial Artist 5 years ago Author

Hey pratik,

I would advise Krav-Maga for defending against weapons, although will not teach you how to fight with weapons. For that I would recommend FMA. All the best


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Martial Artist 5 years ago Author

hi jstelletello,

I agree you must always avoid the ground, but if you do hit the ground you require knowledge and training to be able to get up, especially if there are attackers holding you down. 90% of all fights end up on the ground so you have to be prepared for such a scenario. And true most martial arts have rules that is not present on the street, but you must also remember that fighting is all about reflexes and the best way to condition those are through martial arts. Also if someone does attack you with a knife you have to know ways to counter and eliminate such a threat without harming yourself. This is studied in martial arts such as Krav Maga. You articles are informative. I enjoyed reading them. All the best.


koolkane 5 years ago

Hey man,

Im glad you said That Krav maga is a breeze if you do Brazilian jiu jitsu and muay thai because i do both, i will take your advice and take a krav maga course after i have mastered them both. Now i want to ask you about BJJ... you see i have recently researched into the gi vs no gi argument and i want to know your opinion on it? At the moment i train no gi, but which style do you think is more effective for self defence?

thanks, kane.


pratik 5 years ago

hi martial artist

i was just wondering which MA is effective for using weapons in real life attacking and defending thanks :)


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sifujosh 5 years ago from Tahoe City

Krave Maga is Traditional Wing Chun without control. Control over oneself and control over one's opponent. It certainly works, but its kind of like the tasmanian devil version, haha. To those who say BJJ is an adequate street self-defense system, I say...can you pull off your takedowns and submissions if you are being bitten, thumbed in the eye, groin struck, hit in the throat?


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jstelletello 5 years ago

A street fight is not UFC, living in the world of rules does not express the truth of a live situation. Self-defense means a street fight. I wrote two hubs that may give a better answer.

http://hubpages.com/sports/Why-Martial-Arts-Are-No...

http://hubpages.com/sports/Beyond-Physicality-The-...

I would greatly appreciate your opinion on these topics, hopefully this give you a better understanding of where I am coming from.

There is definitely better martial arts for different situations but they all have strengths and weaknesses. As far a FMA goes, if you like empty hand, look to the dirty boxing and panantukan. There are even body locks and throws. Jiujitsu and wrestling are king on the ground but for self defense I try to avoid going to the ground my gym has a mat outside does not.


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Martial Artist 5 years ago Author

Greetings jstelletello,

You are correct. I did not study FMA so long as the masters of the art so I welcome your opinion in giving us more information and correcting my points of view where I incorrectly gave them. I agree that the practitioner plays a vital role but even if your are a master in an art that doesn't contain grappling on the ground, No matter how well you trained, in my opinion, it won't help since you still will not know how to react because your choice of art did not teach what to do in that situation. Even worse if your opponent is trained for that situation. A good example is the UFC before it became sanctioned with rules and regulations. All the best


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jstelletello 5 years ago

Martial Artist,

You knowledge of the applicability of the Filipino martial arts shows you did not train long enough to learn the full fundamentals of panantukan. Training for a few years at any martial art, let alone multiple, is just scratching the surface. You bring an unfortunate light to the reality of martial arts in the modern times, people think that a few years of learning(from martial arts to particle physics) means you have the knowledge it took masters a lifetime to develop. It is not the martial art system but the practitioners devotion to training.


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Martial Artist 5 years ago Author

Greetings Fellow Saffa,

I will see what I can find out for you. There is a lot of Krav Maga groups in Cape Town but I'm not sure how legitimate and authentic they are. If you train Krav Maga always look for IKM otherwise you might not even be studying Krav Maga. I know there is a Commando Krav Maga club in Cape Town but it's a lot about politics so won't recommend their clubs in my opinion. Will call Warrior Sports in Centurion Gauteng and ask them if they have affiliates in Cape Town. Will get back to you. All the best


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Martial Artist 5 years ago Author

Greetings Aikido Padawan,

Aikido has really good techniques and as you say it takes a really long time to become efficient and effective because of the lack of reflexes. Aikido cannot be applied without accuracy and speed and because Aikido never focuses on these key points a lot of people criticizes it and says its not effective. I would definitely advise you to do a second martial art more focused on reflexes to compensate for its lack in Aikido. I did the same with my training and now Aikido is very handy when I need it. I would advise you take Krav Maga or Muay Thai. Then you will be a very dangerous fighter. All the best


Fellow Saffa 5 years ago

Hey,

Great article - thanks.

I train in BJJ for ground fighting, and traditional karate. (IMO any traditional karate that incorporates sparring and conditioning teaches you real strike power, builds courage and the ability to handle conflict situations. Unfortunately McDojos are now the norm, and because so many of their clients are women and children, most karate adherents are learning the hollowed out shell of something that requires real sparring to be effective.)

However, I still see gaps in both arts, and am keen on learning Krev Maga - both because knives are a likely weapon in a fight and because I know how blocky and stiff my movements become in full-contact sparring. Do you know if there are any instructors in Cape Town?


aikido padawan 5 years ago

hey there, awesome article.

I've been practicing Aikido for 1 year and its really a lethal and effective martial art. lethal because the techniques you use, most of them, finish on the floor. So your opponent will strike the floor, applied in real life, the floor is paviment. VERY LETHAL. Its also effective because you use the force and energy of your opponent, you are not supposed to struggle, nothing at all, which makes this MA applied by anyone, even a little boy or girl. What is very true, is that to be prepared to defend yourself with this MA is very hard because you need YEARS of preparation. I asked some friends if they can punch me and see if i can apply basic techniques like irimi nage or Ikio, and i couldn't do it well because they were too fast. you need good or you are dead man... So my question is, what about having two martial arts or one that is focused on defense only like aikido or krav maga or both and another martial art focused on punch and strike attacks like kung fu?


Bubis 5 years ago

thanks both of you very much for your replies i tried what you told me and i realy have a long way until i will be able to defend myself properly but i have found that the easier the tecnique is the more useful it is so thanks both of you again for helping me


daveydoka 5 years ago

Hi bubis

I agree with martial artist and would like to add that I have found that certain arts such as tkd, karate, judo etc which have developed into sports has changed the way in which these arts are taught. They will develop you in a way to allow for the possibility that you may compete upon reaching a high enough grade. I am a big believer in practicing an art that you enjoy but add to your training by getting someone to attack you in any way they choose and find the most effective techniques for use in threatening situations.

Kind regards


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Martial Artist 5 years ago Author

Hey Bubis,

Sorry for the late reply. Taekwondo has entered a sphere of criticism lately do to the lack of effectiveness. That doesn't make the art completely effectiveless and a lot of that criticism is due to the training methods some taekwondo clubs use that doesn't properly prepare a fighter for a life threatening encounter. Almost all arts have some usefull techniques/foundations that's effective for self defense. What is important is to ask yourself if it will be enough to save your life if needed. Ask a friend to attack you with a rubber knife and see if you would be able to defend yourself. If I could give you advice, I would tell you to do a Krav Maga course just to be sure. Taekwondo does teach you fast reflexes and reaction times so that is already a step in the right direction. Just remember to train realistically. All the best.


bubis 5 years ago

hey martial artist

I am practicing taekwondo for 8 months and i have heard much bad critisism about its usefulness in self defence but i find its self defend tecniques preaty easy and effective so i would like to have your opinion too about tkd


daveydoka 5 years ago

Hi Clint,

I think you will be safe as Martial Artist says. I would like to add that it is probably not very likely that you would be attacked by another Martial artist. I know I would never attempt to do so. However, if you are looking to compete in sport such as MMA I believe you would be best to learn the martial arts most popularly found in that sport. In my opinion Martial arts teach you to control your own emotions when faced with an attacker which can be why it takes a little longer to be competent enough to use a martial art as a method of self defense, where as a self defense method such as Krav Maga utilises the physiological reactions of the body combined with the bodys most natural way of reacting physically to deal with life threatening situations. For me martial arts have more benefit than simply knowing how to defend yourself but if you need to learn quickly, a self defense course would be the way to go.


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Martial Artist 5 years ago Author

Hi Clint,

Krav Maga will be effective against another martial art, but it will depend on the fighers abilities rather than the fighting arts involved when it comes to such a situation. So practice diligently and you will be fine. All the best


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Martial Artist 5 years ago Author

Hi Angus,

Daveydoka is 100% correct. I have nothing else I can add. Krav Maga is better for self defence but MMA will also teach you how to defend yourself. if you do choose the MMA, just have a look at the krav maga knife and gun defences on youtube and add that to your arsenal then you will be fine. All the best


Clint 5 years ago

You say kra maga is great for self defence but does that also apply if defending against someone with martial art background?


Bruce Lee Jr. 5 years ago

I would have to go with Wing Chun


daveydoka 5 years ago

I believe it would be wise to go along and view both to see which you like the look of. You will get a good work out from both MMA or Krav Maga but if you are looking for street self defense I would probably choose Krav Maga provided it was not too expensive. Even though MMA will undoubtedly enable you to defend yourself on the street it is 2 or 3 different arts taught together so you want to find out how experienced in each the instructor is so you know your going to be taught the techniques by somebody experienced. Krav Maga on the other hand is one discipline and instructors have to be able to teach all techniques correctly before being given instructor status. Regarding these 2 disciplines I am not speaking from experience but rather using information I have found. I would definitely have a look and a chat with the instructor before deciding though and do not allow yourself to be pressured into making a decision. See what you think and write another post if you are struggling to make a decision.


Angus 5 years ago

Hey Martial Artist,

I have little experience in Martial Arts, but I'm looking to start classes so I can both keep in shape and be able to defend myself if necessary. I was looking at Muay Thai but there aren't any classes nearby, there is however a Krav Maga instructor an hour's drive away and an MMA/Judo/Ju Jitsu instructor a block from where I live. Would it be worth the travel a few times a week for the Krav Maga classes or would the MMA/Ju Jitsu be suitable for the self-defence I'm after?

Cheers.


daveydoka 5 years ago

I have practiced Aikido for 10 years and only now feel that I could use it to defend myself. I agree that these traditional arts do take time to master which is why I started with Muay Thai which is very easy to learn, widely available and is not too expensive. By the way if somebody attacked me with a knife I would not waste time with kotogaeshi, I would simply break the arm. Aikido gives you the ability to choose whether you inflict damage or not. You don't have to try and look after your attacker all of the time. I have been interested in Kravmaga for some time now and once it becomes more widely available I think it will be the future martial art of choice. For the moment though if I wanted to learn skills quickly I would stick with Muay Thai as you will learn good techniques that will help to develop devastating power.


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arnis boy 5 years ago

I'm glad to see my fighting style Eskrima or Arnis?I think this very effective for self-defense in street and for combat fighting because you learned how to fight using your knife,using you bladed weapons like bolos,and you learned how to use sticks,like double sticks,single stick,sword and dagger or stick and dagger, spears or staff,and empty hand combat.And you learned how to defend knives and bladed weapons?But if you know how to use weapons you know how to fight using your empty hands but filipino martial arts empty hand focus striking,locking,throwing,and grappling,but filipino empty hands are many names like (mano y mano)or empty hands,(sikaran)Kicking,and (dumog)wrestling for me this is very effective in street fighting.


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Martial Artist 5 years ago Author

Hey Someguy,

I'm not sure what martial art Van Damme used, but since he is a kickboxer and practiced some muay thai, he probably used a combination of those


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Martial Artist 5 years ago Author

Hey Brain,

Do MMA and Boxing. All the best


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Martial Artist 5 years ago Author

Hey Erezb,

In a bar fight for multiple opponents I would probably recommend Muay Thai since the use of elbows and knees can end an opponent almost immediately. Since Muay Thai also has such intense conditioning it will enable you to take an extreme beating before they will be able to drop you to the ground. All the best


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Inspired to write 5 years ago from Wales UK

Great information & a well written article, thanks for sharing this Martial artist.

I agree on your point about reflexes & the training in the arts & boxing for speed & accuracy & I would like to add awareness must be the number 1 indicator & protector as in the fact that you must be able to detect the signs of an assault before you can even begin to take control enabling the upper hand & then practice a back up plan if the assault has to become physical.

One that may not be so much trained or aware of conflicting situations should also practice emotional triggers of how & what to expect from a truly intimidating aggressor & how to deal with this emotion mentally & physically as the shock of intimidation or surprise could get one hurt especially if one does not expect it.

I under no circumstances would go to the ground if I can avoid it or would not get into a scrappy mode that will become messy or clingy, so striking in my opinion, with a burst of energy into the assailant is the key to hopefully finish the fight fast. And the decision to actually attack must be made & followed through.

I truly enjoyed reading your information. Regards Dale


Someguy 5 years ago

Hey Martial Artist,

You must have seen Bloodsport wit Van Damme. I am curious to know what martial art he is using, it appears to be some form of Karate.

Yes i know all that stuff about it being a film and blah blah blah but im just curious.

I train in MMA and find it can be very effective but limited to unarmed combat only.

Thanks and please no lecture on it being a movie and all.


Coach Clay 5 years ago

Great Article. I really appreciate the "open mindedness" in this forum. I've been teaching Krav Maga since 1998. First in Lubbock, TX and now in The Dallas ?Ft. Worth area since 2005. I've been training since i was four years old in various forms including the good ol' Traditional TKD, Shotokan, Hapkido, Sim-do, Kali Escrima, Judo/Ju-Jitsu, on and on. I truly appreciate Krav for it's lack of ritualism and simple "get it done" approach. I teach Judo, Sambo, and Ju-jitsu for grappling, Krav Maga and Haganah for our Israeli Self Defense classes, and Muay Thai and American kickboxing for the Kickboxing classes. I saw a post on here asking about Kajukenbo. A very good friend of mine- Burt Vickers- who trained under Richard Peralta (a direct student and very close friend to Emperado). I do know, like any art, there are some who have let commercialism drain the system of it's purity and roots, BUT if you can find someone close to Burt's lineage, you are sure to know what real deal traditional martial arts is all about. Mr. Peralta passed away many years back while living in Grand Prarie, TX. He and his knowledge were amazing, and Burt does an amzing job at immulating and passing on everything that Mr. Peralta started here. I believe Burt is now in the Houston, TX area.

Great article guys.

Keep it up and stay blessed,

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Brian 5 years ago

Am studying tae kwon do but I kinda want to do boxing and mma what should I chosse


Erezb 5 years ago

If someone wants to kill u with a gun than you are fucked no matter how much KAMI or Krav Maga you know. Especially if he also knows a bit about disarming someone. That said i would be interested in your opinion on the best MA against multiple attackers in a "regular" situation. let’s say a club/Bar etc.'. When no fire arms or even knifes are involved just good old kick u in the head while u are on the floor. I read Geuffe(?) Thompson’s Book about the life of a Doorman in England and he recommended Boxing and judo and the reason was a lack of room to kick and the multiple attacker scenario so no good grappling on the ground for too long. I am an Israeli and as a kid was beaten up once pretty good so my dad threw me into the closest MA which was KAMI(Krav maga) I did that for about 5 years and its quit effective in even regular scenarios of fighting. After the Army service I started with Judo and dislocated my shoulder 3 times before leaving it for Boxing/Kickboxing (we mostly box). Also an interesting topic will be on the most physically demanding and the least demanding MA.

Best wishes Erez Blum


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Martial Artist 5 years ago Author

Hey Blake,

Good to hear you are still alive, if you are looking for effective ground fighting, brazilian jiu jitsu is the most suitable option. Its the most effective form of ground grappling in my opinion and will teach everything you need to know. All the best.


Blake 5 years ago

Hello Martial Artist,

I found your article informative and quite interesting. About a week ago I was mugged by two significantly larger assailants. I've taken Taekwondo for 9 years, and though I was able to hospitalize them, I was almost seriously injured in the process; I was knocked to the ground and pounded in the face two or three times before countering with a spearhand to the throat. I have since realized how seriously lacking Taekwondo is regarding ground-fighting. My strike fighting ability is more than proficient, what martial art would you recommend specifically for quickly improving my ground fighting ability?

Thanks


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey Jason T,

If you like to study a martial art for intense fitness I would either recommend Muay Thai or Krav Maga. Muay Thai has the most intensive fitness workouts and will get you into shape in no time. They also emphasize flexibility so will keep you supple. Krav Maga also has Muay Thai for their striking but their fitness is less intensive although their cardio will still get you fit...just not so quickly. Krav Maga is a better choice for self defence though so it depends on what you want. All the best


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Marcus Teague 6 years ago

Very good read, though I am surprised Systema didn't make your list. Personally I think Systema is fairly complex and won't take down an opponent hard enough in all necessary situations. I hope that you will review my martial art hubs in the future.

A minor note though, be careful around your grammar. Particularly, the articles "a" and "an" as well as your proper tense of verbs (e.g. you have "All of the above self defence arts is effective", when the word "are" should be there).

Some of the wording of the article made it a bit hard on the eyes (e.g. "I was actually curious how my body would react and with what art I studied it would defend.").

Minor differences between an A+ and an A. But that doesn't detract from the content which is excellent. I've seen Pencak Silat mentioned here and there but this is the first time I really got an evaluation on it.


Jason T 6 years ago

HI, I have no martial arts experience but have been playing hockey and soccer at a very high level and doing track and field until 2 years back when i sustained an injury. it has been 2 years now and I feel i need to get back in shape and do it through martial arts/self defense. Which type of martial art/self defence do you recommend for me ( a person with athletic ability but not very much muscle/strength)? also please consider flexibility training as well because I would also like to become more flexible through this training as i feel being flexible greatly reduces risk of injury.


Johnny 6 years ago

I have been a practitioner of Krav Maga now for about 9 months. I had no prior martial arts experience but I have found KM to be a very realistic and ideal approach to real life situations. I personally find the knife defence techniques quite easy to learn and the concept of 'stepping off the line' of attack is a very practical method in street fights. I recently passed my first grade and have every intention of continuing with KM, although I was thinking about learning a more grapple orientated martial art as well merely just to compliment my KM techniques. I am interested in Sambo but cannot find a sambo school in London and so considered Systema instead. Does have experience of systema and can you give any advise on its effectiveness?


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Greetings James,

To my knowledge CATCH is just a modified version of wrestling containing some submission techniques so I would definitely rather stick to BJJ. Think you will learn a lot more and become a more efficient fighter. All the best


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Greetings shawn frye,

To my limited knowledge it's a hybrid martial art containing a lot of different disciplines. I haven't trained in it personally but from what I've seen it looks a good self defence art focusing mainly on realistic encounters in street fighting. Although I would still advise a Krav Maga course just to be sure. All the best


James 6 years ago

Hi martial artist

If you had a choice to learn either catch(i live in london) or bjj,which would you choose?

thanks


James 6 years ago

Hi martial artist

If you had a choice to learn either catch(i live in london) or bjj,which would you choose?


shawn frye 6 years ago

i've been training in the kajukenbo system for 8yrs. a system derived from karata judo jujitsu kemp western and chinese boxing the system was created in hawaii by professor adriano imperodo have you looked into this and what's your opinion


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

I am finally up to date will everybody's posts. Hallelujah! Sorry guys for taking so long to give you all answers but I haven't touched ground since April with training and giving classes. All the best


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hi Jason,

Any martial art that contains sparring actually helps to you to learn the mechanics of fighting. Another thing that fighters don't always realize is that all their training actually conditions them to become really solid on the ground if I can put it that way. Sparring teaches you to take and deal out proper hits. So if I would give my opinion I would say you would be able to take out an average person with no fighting experience even if it is only because of your hardened conditioning and sharpened reflexes. All the best


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hi Ryan,

It depends on the way you train and what art you are training in. Krav Maga is based on natural reactions and that's why my body reacted instinctively. If I used something like Sambo I probably would have chosen the technique I was going to use. Since you have been training so long though I think the technique choice will probably be made in milliseconds so it will almost be as if your body reacted naturally to the attack. With sparring in your setting you should be fine in a street fight if I look at the amount of different arts you club mix together. All the best


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hi James,

Technically any ground art focuses on just one person. You can't grapple more than 1 person on the ground before it gets impractical so in my opinion BJJ is still the best and most effective. Furthermore Hwa Rang Do is a Korean art and is quite comprehensive so it should teach some proper fighting skills. They have a lot of Muay Thai similarities to my knowledge and incorporate Jiu jitsu for their grappling. I would however still stick to a combination of Muay Thai and BJJ. The problem with such a comprehensive art is that they don't really go in such detail as an art specially designed for a situation. Example I think a person doing BJJ and Muay Thai will a more comprehensive syllabus of techniques that a practitioner of Hwa Rang Do. All the best


Jason 6 years ago

Hey Martial Artist,

I read your article since l aim writing a paper about the effectiveness of martial arts on the street. I think you make very good points and l am not surprised at the lack of oriental styles. I personally have taken Shotokan Karate for 13 years (off and on) and am currently in Taekwondo. I feel that many of the techniques used in these styles are pointless, but l do think that good practitioners could easily make a few strong hits against an attacker. If someone were to start a fight i feel a good kick in the face will be enough to either put them down or set up for the final blow. What are your thoughts?


Jimmy James 6 years ago

I've been studying JKD for the last eighteen months and I'm getting a lot out of it. I have a background in Judo and TKD. I chose it over Krav Maga because I wanted to learn about asian culture in addition to self defense.

Readers who have never studied JKD should know that legit teachers who studied with Dan Inosanto (Bruce Lee's #1 student) also teach techniques from Kali, Silat, Wing Chun, Muy Thai, American boxing, and BJJ, in addition to JKD techniques.

It was Bruce Lee's philosophy to "Use what is useful" and not be hamstrung to a specific style when your life is in jeopardy. We in fact do learn grappling and ground submissions, but we don't stay on the ground because the guy we're submitting might have five friends on their way to kick the hell out of you. We have some brutal techniques for combating shoots to the legs.

I audited a Krav class last week and many of the techniques I saw them using we already use, but nothing beats seeing someone skilled in Kali and Silat neutralize an attacker. It's just very cool.


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey Peter Bruns,

Kraver is right. Since BJJ limits you to 1 opponent it limits your self defense since you are outnumbered most of the time in a street fight. It is effective for ground fighting though and that is why Krav Maga incorporates it in their syllabus. It is of extreme importance to get up as quickly as possible if you hit the floor on the street so BJJ is very important but not complete as a system for effective street self defence. All the best


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

hey Coolerzguy,

The problem with most acrobatic arts is that it's more for show that actual fighting meaning that it's not so effective in real figthing. I would advise considering muay thai for effective fighting and taekwondo for aerobatics but you already know that. All the best


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey Matt,

Wing Chun is a martial art based on speed thus takes a very long time to properly become efficient .I've met a few fighters though that is extremely well trained and would probably defeat most opponents. It doesn't teach ground fighting though which is a problem but if you already study combat judo it should clear it up. Furthermore another point of criticism is that it lacks sparring which is a big problem but the fighters I met sparred against each other outside of class which would probably explain why they are so proficient. a Fighter needs sparring to sharpen his reflexes to apply the techniques when needed. Otherwise you will probably just get hurt if you try to use it with no practical training. So in my opinion stick to muay thai and just add some wing chun to the mix. And do a Krav Maga course for gun and knife techniques should you want something for the street. All the best


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey Kraver,

What I've seen from KFM is that it's quite an effective art specializing on elbows and that is designed for self defence. I'm actually intrigued since it has a lot effective dynamics. It incorporates MMA mechanics and is quick on application. My honest opinion it looks like an very effective form of self defence with a gap here and there but nothing too serious. Will see if I can find a club and try it out myself. All the best


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey James,

Shaolin shadow boxing is an ancient Chinese martial art that was created when Kung Fu stylists wanted to train in more direct combat and also tried to incorporate some western styles of boxing. This is to my knowledge. I've never trained in it personally, but it should be quite effective since it focuses on fighting. I would however rather look at muay thai if you are looking for a striking martial art. All the best


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey Carlos,

Combat Sambo is an extremely effective art at a high level and since it is mostly grappling it's going to be difficult to find something more effective. However you can supplement it with something like Muay Thai improve your striking skills. But other than that all you can do is look at the other grappling arts such as BJJ and maybe replace some of the techniques in your own combat sambo that might be applied in a more effective manner. The only direct competitor of sambo is BJJ so have a look at that. All the best


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey Kraver,

TAO OF JEET KUNE DO is a must read for any martial artist. Furthermore sparring is extremely important for effective fighting but if you are already sparring in another martial art such as muay thai sparring in Krav Maga isn't so much a prerequisite for effective self defense since the muay thai is already sharpening your reflexes. All the best


Dave-O 6 years ago

James, ALL ground fighting is pretty much focussed on 1 person. Not going to the ground AT ALL is best for self defence. Thats not to say that ground work is irelevent, just that it isn't optimal for self defence.


ryan 6 years ago

Martial Artist, i am currently enrolled in a hybrid martial arts class in which the instructor teaches various forms of boxing, kickboxing, muay thai, BJJ, wrestling, Judo, Aikido, Krav Maga, JKD, and some basic trapping. I however have never been in a real fight. I have been training every week for 4 years and my questions pertains to the use of these martial arts on the streets. having never been in a real fight i am wondering is my training sufficient enough to defend myself and does your body react instinctively to a real life dangerous situation?


James 6 years ago

Could someone please clarify these questions for me,Im considering taking up martial arts,but not for competition,for self-defense:

1.Self defense means anything could happen,so if bjj is focus on 1 opponent,it really isn't helpful if multiple attackers come,or if in a crowded place i.e. market,so what's the best floor art,Catch,sambo,greco-roman etc...the ideal one for me would be one that deals with multiple attackers.

2.What does anyone know about HWA RANG DO,having gone on their site,they claim and prove they're the WORLDS most comprehensive art,they focus on everything,they are apparently the root of many arts i.e. i think maybe even juijitsu,having seen many arts on the net etc...that seems the best,how comes it isn't popular?

3.what's the best combination of arts,i.e. floor: sambo,general/feet: juijitsu?

Thanks.


Kraver 6 years ago

I would say that the main problem with BJJ for self defence is that you have to focus on 1 oponent, and when you have to fight for your life you are usualy gonna be out numbered. SO..... You take first guy to the ground and prettymuch nutralize him. But, in the mean time, his buddy just put the boots to the back of your head. (just my opinion of course) Always, If possible, avoid going to the ground on the streets, and if you do go to the ground get up quick!!!.


Peter Bruns 6 years ago

I often see Brazilian Jiu Jitsu in the ranks of "most effective" or "street effective" martial arts, yet I see you didn't happen to include it. Though I've never taken BJJ, I recognize its value should the fight go to the ground. What are your feelings on BJJ as an effective street style? Is it a good primary defense system, or would one be better served by something like Krav Maga as primary, and BJJ as the "second" defense system?


coolerzguy 6 years ago

hy 10x for the kyokushinkai part i started it around 4 months ago it's really hard btw i do 3 times more pushups ( 70 ) than i did before starting ( 25 ) and because of my taekwondo roots i was able to master some kicks easiely!

im thinking of taking a 2nd martial art at the same time but i want this one to be acrobatic but effective at the same time ( idk if you watched undisputed 2 and 3 but boyka 's moves are awesome so what would you advise me?


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey Guys,

I apologize for not replying on all your posts, have been extremely busy with classes en touring to give classes, I will be back the 10th October and will then answer all your questions. All the best.


Matt 6 years ago

Hey Martial Artist,

great article! nice to see someone writing with actual experience in a variety of martial arts, as well as a real life encounter.

I have trained for a few years in Combat Judo, Muay Thai and Wing Chun. I was wondering what your opinion was on Wing Chun as a self defense system, people seem to have very opposing opinions.


Kraver  6 years ago

So i been reading about this KFM (Keysi Fighting Method) from spain. It is supposedly extreamly effective. Any Opinions?


James 6 years ago

hi could u explain what shaolin shadow boxing is please


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey Carlos and Kraver,

I will properly reply on your posts in the next 24 hours, sorry for the wait. Thanks


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey Peter,

Very true indeed, but with someone of your background or any martial artist that trained in a proper system the reflexes should already be there which would only leave the gap for the techniques and for that dvds and books should be sufficient. There is however no replacement for proper dojo training if you have access to it. All the best


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey Maltbals,

If you are struggling with reflexes you can sharpen them by asking someone to keep hitting you with a soft object with you having to continuously block the attacks and then to hold a pad and tell you when you must strike it, practice this everyday and you will develop your skills. San Soo is an effective figthing form but it does take a very long time to master and a lot of the schools don't focus on reflexes so much..just technique. This leaves a big gap especially for someone already struggling. I would advise that you should rather consider something like muay thai for a year just to get the reflexes up to speed than move back to San Soo. Also always remember to to train realistically and ask friends to test you often. All the best


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey coolerzguy,

Kyokushin karate is one of the most effective karate forms in my opinion. They even give muay thai fighters a go for their money. This is because of their approach of fighting...straight forward and brutal. Since they have such a straight forward approach it will definitely assist you in street fighting, they teach you how to hit really hard, really fast and to be able to take a hit and those are all the main requirements to be an effective fighter on the street or anywhere. It's a good system and will provide you with proper fighting skills. All the best


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey Ian,

Kenpo karate is not a bad figthing system since it also incorporates a lot of jui jitsu as well. But the problem is it still takes a lot of time to study and become effective with the stance not providing so much protection as the straight forward stance in muay thai. To my knowledge their techniques also require a lot of steps and thats a big problem if you are not highly trained. See my article why. So if you do really like it and can find a good school it will promote your self defence but on a comparison to muay thai and kyukushin, I would rather do muay thai since you will become a much better fighter a lot quicker.

All the best


Carlos 6 years ago

Thanks for such a descriptive article,i been training in combat sambo for what is it coming up to 10 years now and since moving to UK i have not found one school, so i joined a Judo school which after a couple of training sessions i found to be a joke. I mean my expertise in combat sambo was sufficient enough to beat their sensei in a bout without incorporating any striking moves. The question im really asking is whether there is a martial art more effective and proficient then combat sambo, when studied and mastered at high level.


Kraver 6 years ago

books and dvd's do serve a purpose, but come nowhere even close to personal instruction. I own all of the ikf Krav maga books and dvd's, (that i am aware of) as well as books and dvd's from other styles. But personal instruction is realy needed to get things down corectly. free sparring is also (of course) extreamly benificial. also, another comment on books, I don't care what style(s) you do, In my opinion every martial artist should read THE TAO OF JEET KUNE DO by Bruce Lee.


Peter Bruns 6 years ago

Excellent and informative article, and with your history and experience as a martial artist I take your article with much credibility. I practiced Kyokushinkai karate, which I learned in Japan years ago, for years and although it is a formidable knock-down striking style, I nevertheless found many holes for its effectiveness as a self defense system on the street. I started Krav about two years ago and I'm finding that those vulnerabilities are rapidly filling in. The one problem I have though is with being able to learn it from books and DVDs...though I suppose you could definitely start seeing the mechanics of it that way. Wouldn't the reflex development part of it actually come with hands-on sparring, exercise, and one-on-one instruction?


maltballs 6 years ago

Really helpful article. Thanks for sharing all of your knowledge.

As a kid I studied Itosu-ryu Karate. Recently I've been studying Kung Fu San Soo, and wonder how you would rate san soo as an effective art? I really enjoy san soo, as it seems to be brutal and functional. Although, never having been in a real street fight, I wonder if I'll be able to use it. Also it seems to have a long learning curve.

Your emphasis on reflexes is right on the money. I have always had lousy reflexes; when blocking, I usually don't see the attack coming until it's too late, or I interpret the coming attack incorrectly, etc. I wonder if there are drills or exercises that will improve that?

After reading your article, I intend to add Krav Maga into the mix.

Thanks for a great article!


coolerzguy 6 years ago

hey i would like to know if kyokushin karate is effective in the street im thinking of finding a karate kyokushin club


Ian 6 years ago

Can you tell me how effective kenpo karate is. I've seen some "Mc Dojos" offering it but I've also seen some places that don't look like a scam and aren't overglorifying it as the perfect martial art kind of thing. What I have read on wikipedia sounds good. I was just hope you could tell me how effective it is compared to Koukinshin, kempo, TKD, Mauy Thai, Savate, etc...


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey Kraver,

That's good to hear, you can never study too many martial arts and will always find something new to add to your own arsenal. Since Krav Maga is more of a striking art, adding aikido and judo to the mix will really improve your overall game. All the best


Kraver 6 years ago

Hello, As I said before I've been training Krav maga for just over a year now, and the best thing about Krav to me is that it is always evolving. My instructor for instance, holds high rank in aikido and judo as well. He incorporates these in a practical way in to our training. So we get a really well rounded form of krav maga. While stiking does make up the majority of our training we get plenty of joint manipulations and throws such as tai-atoshi, o-soto-gari, shiho-nage, kote-gaish, etc. taught to us as well. So it seems to me that incorporating grappling techniques with striking styles is a brutaly effective way to train.


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey arashi,

I'm glad you found them informative. All the best


arashi 6 years ago

hi martial artist :) i have been reading your articles lately and all i can say is that they are all good. as for aikido, you were right about your friend. i was with tkd (ok revealing the "other" martial i was talking about before) for 7 years so reflexes wasn't a problem and i was able to adapt easily with all the evasions and stuff being taught in aikido vs those who had aikido solely their ma. imho, aikido, combined with other martial arts is quite effective. my sensei always taught us of "atemi" which is an "opening" for us if we choose to attack to knock the opponent off a bit (which leads to aikido plus another martial art for attack). i was able to get my "once in a blue moon" spar with someone and inserted some tkd as my atemi then go with whatever aikido technique i can think of. as of now, i am also starting with wing chun for more hand attacks since tkd is more of leg work.

cheers for the great work :)


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey Hello,

It can if you diligently train for it to be effective in the street. Ask a friend to test you with a rubber knife and see if you can block it, all the best


Hello 6 years ago

Salute Martial Artist

Could jujutsu used effectively in a street fight?


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey j wag,

The best way to describe the main difference is that it is 2 completely different martial arts. Commando Krav Maga is based on judo and focuses on grappling a lot. Krav Maga is based on striking and doesn't focus on grappling except the groundwork. All the best


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey Adrian,

Aikido is effective if you can find a good school and train realistically, I trained 3 years and couldn't apply the techniques in a situation because my reflexes was underdeveloped. Also I would study an art such as Muay Thai on the side to learn proper striking. But overall it's a good art as long as you train realistically. All the best


j wag 6 years ago

Excellent article! I am curious as to the difference between krav maga and commando krav maga... any thoughts?


Adrian 6 years ago

sorry for my english.

having read those posts above makes me interested to train krav maga. i plan to go watching krav maga training soon. fortunately there is krav maga dojo just near to my house. the nearest martial art dojo from my house actually. i will watch over the training then decide wheter to join it or no.

i dont say aikido is the most effective martial art, but i do say its the martial art i love most n i dont know why. im now 2dan in aikido n i want to keep goin, even if i decide to train krav maga, i will keep train aikido :).

last, i want ur honest and logical opinion about aikido.

thanks.

rgrds.


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey TeH Pokeroooo,

There are indeed exceptions as I also said in the main article, but yes it is dependent on the school and instructor and is definitely not the norm. If you do manage to find a good school then you are blessed and should train with such respect. It is truly a privilege to learn a martial art as it was taught in its golden age. All the best


TeH Pokeroooo 6 years ago

I read through your list and a few of the comments. I know what you said about traditional martial arts, but I think there are some exceptions. Aiki-Jujitsu, also known as traditional Japanese Jujitsu involves striking, weapons and disarming, throwing, and grappling. I only took classes for about a month, but it seemed like a couple years of that would prepare you for most self defense situations. The thing is you have to make sure to get into a school that is focused on self defense more than competition, and that you have a good instructor.


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey Ian,

Oh I see what you mean. You want to get your black belt. Find out what karate style they present then I'd be able to tell you a bit more. All the best


Ian 6 years ago

Thanks for the advice

I didn't create Ho Kuk Mu Sul it's a style of Kuk Sool Won created by Suh In-Hyuk. And I'm training both because I started training Ho Kuk Mu Sul then I moved and am training at a MMA gym where I'm learning the kick boxing and BJJ. I'm a red belt in Ho Kuk Mu Sul and wish to go for my black belt but unfortunetly I have only found a few decent Taekwondo places and a decent Karate place I'm not so sure what style they teach I'll ask. I want get my BJJ black belt I got blue in the same town I got my red belt in Kuk Sul but I want to have a black belt in a stricking based art and there're isn't a belt system in Mauy Thai or Savate.


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey Ian,

Glad to hear you are also creating your own style of martial arts. But why do you practice taekwondo if you have muay thai? I would say taekwondo is more effective though in my opinion but it also depends on what style of karate you are comparing. Kyukushin Karate is just as effective as muay thai and some other karate styles are as effective as a box of low fat milk gone sour.


Ian 6 years ago

I'm currently training in Ho Kuk Mu Sul which is like Taekwondo Korean and the striking is practiclly the same. The forms are different and you learn some basic grappling. I was wondering which one is more effective Taekwondo or Karate. I'm also studying Mauy Thai, BJJ, Judo (the guy I'm training BJJ with is a black belt in BJJ and blue belt in Judo so he's just kinda showing me some Judo stuff), and am training some Savate.


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey James,

Depends what you mean with best. In terms of effectiveness I would say BJJ if fighting one person. If more than one opponent is involved I would rather pick Sambo. The effectiveness of JKD is depended on the school you train with. But there are not a lot of proper schools left that teaches proper JKD anymore so I would only be able to comment if you tell me to what school you are referring to. Also JKD doesn't focus a lot on ground fighting so in those terms I would describe it as incomplete. But proper JKD is an effective fighting form. Also Bruce Lee would in my opinion kick anybody's ass.

All the best


james 6 years ago

hi,with all these different groundfighting/grappling martial arts,which is best in your opinion,bjj,catch,shoot,pankration,sambo,freestyle and greco-roman wrestling,which is the best? oh and what do u think of jkd,ive heard people knock it as incomplete with flaws,and that bruce lee was never a competitor,what's ur take on this?


Kraver 6 years ago

Krav maga is (in my opinion) the absolute ultimate in self defence. I've been training for about a year now, and had very little prior martial arts training. (a few months here and there)Once i found krav maga i knew almost immediately it was what i wanted to go with. everything tought is very quick and effective. It is also a very good style for women (I'm a man) as it trains you to take on much larger and multiple atackers. We have a few women that train at our school and they are all very proficient. in fact where i train puts on women only self defence semminars every so often. We have a 61 year old lady in class that can deffinatly kick some ass!! It is definatly a great art and also a very good starting point for those with no previous training.


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey james,

Had a look at their website. In my honest opinion it's just a scam, the amount of ridicilous claims they make already gives them away. Stick to krav maga if you want to learn proper self defence. All the best


James 6 years ago

Thanks for your instance,excellent reply,it now makes sense.oh yeah i saw a website talking about this martial art that few know about called Lethalo,does it exist?


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey James,

Depends what form of ninjitsu you are practicing. Almost 70% of schools today only teach a fragmented system of ninjitsu of what it was. I trained at 4 schools and only one was legit. But ninjitsu as a martial art is effective and teaches one to use stealth and surroundings to achieve your goal which I found awesome. The fighting system itself is also quite complete although diligent devoted training is a neccesity to use it since the techniques require fast reflexes and a lot of accuracy, otherwise you will get hurt if trying to use it in a fighting sphere. You must remember that in the UFC there are rules limiting what you can do. Taking that into account the bigger person usually has a better chance since he also practices the same technques as the small person, mostly bjj and muay thai and thus also has the advantage of strength. On the street it's all about speed, reflex and technique. For instance I would hit an attacker adam's apple in his throat in ending the fight immediately. This wouldn't be allowed in the UFC. If the guy is huge he will be slow and won't be able to block the hit in time. No matter how much muscles he has..he's adam's apple doesn't have any. That is where techniques plays their part...targeting soft spots making strength and the lack of speed that goes with it a liability. All the best


Alexi 6 years ago

Thanks, was just hoping you knew because more often than not I get my ass handed to me by bullies. So, hence my reasoning for wanting to find a school. Guess I'll have to go do some research.


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey Alexi,

Unfortunately since I live in South Africa my knowledge to Martial art schools in Canada is extremely limited. Sorry but I'm sure if you have a look around the internet there should be some schools advertised. Hope you find what you are looking for.

All the best


Alexi 6 years ago

Great article! Very informative. I just have one question: do you know of any schools that would teach Krav Maga, preferably Israeli in the Middlesex County in Ontario, Canada?

I have some background in Judo, Kempo Karate, and very little in combat Sambo. So I'm just wondering if you know of any places just out of experience. Not even entirely sure if you know. Just curious.


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey Artman,

Never heard of the art but sounds like it will be quite effective if it originated from the street although I'll still rather stick to the tried and tested. All the best


artman 6 years ago

I agree with this article 100%. however have you heard about this pretty new martial art Keysi Fighting Method? i thought it was pretty interesting too. it was developed on the streets and not from dojos. and because its new it still has a lot of holes but still evolving. but i thought that it was interesting and effective on the streets. although as of now im training in muay thai and hopefully i can train next in Sambo .


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey a-ok,

I'm glad you found the post informative, I enjoy the fact that it at least can provide a bit of extra knowledge to those who read it, all the best


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Thanks for the heads up on the kung fu fraud guys, it's been fixed now. All the best


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captainchris 6 years ago

Thanks for the rundown! Very informative for those not in the know!


Crazed Walrus 6 years ago

For more information/discussion about the FSD / Patenaude Kung Fu... Here is a very enlightening (and long) thread (one of many threads to be found about the internet)

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=5...


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey Max, interesting you would say that, can you maybe post a link to confirm the story then I will fix the pic, thanks and all the best


a-ok 6 years ago

greetings Martial Artist,

your hub is right on the spot with me. I've studied Pencak Silat for around 3 years, move on to Aikido for around 10 years and took few Krav Maga classes. What you've written in your hub is so very informative and I appreciate you've written it with such knowledge and personal experience.


Max 6 years ago

Hey on the silat picture, you seem to have those patenaude kung fu guys those are well known to be a huge scam here in Canada.


Erez 6 years ago

Hi im from Israel, and i studied KAMI which means "israeli Krav Maga for 4.5 years as a kid. it helped me through high school and 3 years in the army. after reading a book about an English doorman name Geoff Thompson who talked a lot about judo and boxing as super effective in a bar fight i decided to try it.So after i got out of the army i started judo..dislocated my shoulder 3 times before i decided i have to switch. i than went for boxing/kickboxing and im doing that ever since. i just wanted to emphasis that Krav Maga is very effective in short scraps..and against a bully not a fighter. you must have a background in either grappling or striking. because in Krav Maga you train a lot in defending against a knife or someone choking you or holding you in a had lock..all very very realistic stuff. however , if you want to be able to KO a guy with 3 punches or 2 good kicks its better to go to the source! most fights are not with knifes..and in most fights you don't want to gouge one's eye out because you will go to Gail! so a good judo throw or a quick punch to the chin followed with a short kick to the belly is the most you can do to stop someone and not go to Gail. Krav Maga is dangerous!!..fight to the death stile and not suited to the average club/bar scuffle. i will recommend boxing or kick boxing K1 rules (with knees). with some grappling so one will have balance.O and have big friends to back u up :)P.S Thai boxing is also great BUT, kicking in a pub specially clinching, will result with you on the ground stumped to death by other guys. Peace to us all, and may we fight only in the rings.


BN 6 years ago

Thanks, I went for an introduction to it and I got the same impression.

I've done some Muay Thai and a little MMA up until now. The Krav Maga school in my area is at an inconvenient location for me at the moment, unfortunately.


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey BN,

I have never praticed Chow Gar Tong Long Kung Fu before but met a person that has been doing it for 8 years. He told me that while it is effective it takes a very long time to reach a level where you can apply it without getting killed. I know kung fu takes quite a long time myself. The thing is it's a complicated fighting form since it strives to incorporate animal movements in fighting so you will have to make the techniques part of muscle memory since it's not natural movements. The other developing factor is the reflexes involved. Since it has a lot of precision techniques that has to be on spot, it takes a very long time and practice to get it right and to be able to apply them under pressure. The other problem in kung fu might also be outdated training methods. But on a plus side...practicing any martial art will give you an edge in a fight and if you are planning to do it for a very long time, it might be a good art to study. I will give the same advice I gave everyone else though and suggest you do a krav maga course just to have a fall back option. If effective fighting is your main goal I would rather look at muay thai or the other 5 arts on the list since you can become a dangerous fighter in under a year. All the best


BN 6 years ago

Martial Artist, do you have any experience or knowledge of Praying Mantis (Chow Gar Tong Long) Style Kung Fu? I have been recommended by a friend, but am unsure of how effective it would be in street situations.


razor 6 years ago

wing tsun is not on the list butt its the best for street defence especially when its combined with ground fighting and escrima like we practice in our wt club.


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Greetings Owuuta,

Sorry for the late reply. There are a lot of different Krav Maga dvd's availible but I would recommend Krav Maga (Complete 5-DVD Set) found here : http://www.amazon.com/Krav-Maga-Complete-5-DVD-Set... . It is the most complete dvd course on Krav Maga you will find.

Regards


paul 6 years ago

no one mentioned Vee Arnis Jitsu, has all Krav Maga has and comes from a real master of multiple arts, now headed by a real guy David James and you can get some structure and advancement

see 10 commandments of self defense

also David James is highly regarded by Black Belt Magazine and Knife magazine

all the Krav stuff but with less time to conditioning and more time to scenarios and attributes both


Owuuta 6 years ago

Okay you have me covinced. I have a fairly strong back ground it TKD with some basic Judo and Aikido thrown in. So what set of DVD's for Krav Mega would you recommend?


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Greetings MBP42,

Since Krav Maga incorporates a lot of pressure point fighting, size and strength is not a neccesity to practice it, instead of focusing on the throws and striking like the men, you can just focus on the pressure points and you will just as an effective fighter as any strong, larger person in the dojo..your krav maga will just not be the same as his.


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey w.dugz,

Krav Maga does indeed incorporate muay thai striking but since it also incorporates a lot of other arts..the muay thai part is not so well developed as muay thai on it's own but you do atleast learn the basics and the most usefull important stuff. Krav maga teaches you self defence in almost any situation...striking, kicking, guns, knives, multiple opponents. It is probably one of the most complete martial arts regarding self defence, it just doesn't teach you how to fight with weapons as arts such as kung fu...just how to defend against weapon attacks. If you really like muay thai, study it and just do a weekend krav maga seminar to learn the knife and gun defences since muay thai is also an excellent martial art to study in regards to effectiveness. Muay thai however doesn't teach multiple opponent fighting though and you will have to study krav maga a while to learn the principles regarding that


w.dugz 6 years ago

this hub is great and very informative. I have lost interest in taekwondo after a 1 year and a half of training, simply because i didn't get enough practice for self defense and instead it looked like i was preparing only for competitions. i did not see hardly any improvements and the fees for an young adult like me was just too much to cope with. I felt the traditional patterns where just not practical on the streets. I do however want to learn techniques for kicking. Recently ive had an interest in muay thai because of its effectiveness in striking but when i read your article i seemed to also like krav maga. Do you learn a lot of mauy thai in krav maga? and does krav maga teach you to defend yourself with armed and unarmed opponents?(2 or 3 against 1 -like a handicap match)

sorry for the long text but iam a person who asks a lot of questions


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MBP42 6 years ago from have received my official license as a Pastor, praise God

To be honest I practice tae kwon do but it did not teach much hand technique for street defense so I studied kempo. The krav maga looks to be a good street defense but am not sure if it's appropriate to a woman's size and strength. Thanks for the informative hub.


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey AJDaemon,

You must remember that grappling arts doesn't just contain locks and chokes but throws which arts such as Combat Sambo thrive on since you disable an oppnent immediately and when fighting multiple guys and they try to hold you, your grappling knowledge of the anatomy of the human body shows the body's weaknesses that empower you to exploit that in the opponent when they grab you. Grappling arts also provide better control over opponents that striking arts lack. As DaveJay said 80% of fights do indeed go to the ground and although you can't stay there since other people will indeed kick you...you require that ground fighting knowledge to get up again and continue fighting, otherwise you are in very deep trouble especially if the guy that took you to the ground is bigger than you. But most combat grappling arts specialize in throws rather than the other stuff and that's why they are so effective.


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey DaveJay,

Krav Maga do indeed teach multiple opponent combat as also the base principles when you are in such a confrontation.The different Krav Maga federations have different ways to teach it though. The American Krav Maga focuses on techniques while the Israeli Krav Maga federation focuses on situations rather than techniques. What I mean is that if you join the AKMF you will only learn multiple opponent combat after grading the techniques which you would find a waste of time since you do MMA and know 90% of the advanced stuff already. While if you join the IKMF you learn multiple opponent fighting very early in training stages. So go for that one.


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DaveJay 6 years ago from Sydney, Australia

hey AJaemon.. I think you are right in regards to multiple attackers - but your average fight on the street has an 80% chance of ending up on the ground. This is where grappling training is very effective.


AJdaemon 6 years ago from Great Britain

how useful are any grapplyling arts? cause standing locks and chokes i can see as effective but going too the ground seems to leave you too defenless from other attackers.


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DaveJay 6 years ago from Sydney, Australia

Martial Artist - Sounds like you do the business. I have done muay thai/grappling for 18 months now.. One on One I feel fairly confident - but I certainly wouldn't grapple if there were numbers involved. Sounds like Krav Maga would incorporate defence against multiple attackers?


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Martial Artist 6 years ago Author

Hey Tomas,

I apologize for the delayed reply, have been on holiday. My knowledge on Hung Gar is limited to a few classes, what I found is that it is basically a very hard form of kung fu which means it's going to take a very long time before you will be able to make it practical, so it depends what you want out of your martial art. If you are only interested in self defence I'd rather stick to krav maga or one of the other top 5 or muay thai. If you like kung fu and want to learn it spesifically and have a couple of years to invest..hung gar is a good option, you will just have to keep your training realistic and make the techniques work in dangerous situations. I would rather though do krav maga for a year then move over to hung gar since that would prepare you for self defence and provide a fall back option if your hung gar isn't developed enough yet to use


Tomas 7 years ago

Hi Martial Artist,

this article and answers on all posts are just great. As I am total beginner it has helped me a lot. I am looking for some martial art to start with - krav maga is leading my "best martial art to start with" list. But I am also considering Hung Gar. What is your opinion about this one?

Thanx.


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EdwardO. 7 years ago from El Paso

See that's awesome, id definitely helps but still difficult as hell.

"The way the practitioner trains however determines how big that advantage will be."

Aliveness: I believe you train with it.


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Martial Artist 7 years ago Author

EdwardO running away is definitely the best defence I agree, but I think however that having a martial art gives you a bit more than a little advantage since I would probably be dead if I had no knowledge of martial arts, instead the knife wielding opponent ended up in the hospital. The way the practitioner trains however determines how big that advantage will be.


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Martial Artist 7 years ago Author

Hey Martial arts learner,

Depends what kind of hardware is involved. If there is no guns or knives, Muay Thai should be more than sufficient to handle any given situation. if guns and knives do however show up..a more developed art like krav maga will be needed to disarm the attacker. I would therefore advise to do muay thai and do a short krav maga gun and knive defence course and that should do it.


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EdwardO. 7 years ago from El Paso

Lets say best for defense. Anything that trains in aliveness:

BJJ

Sambo

Judo

Wrestling

Muay Thai

Kickboxing

Boxing

Some forms of karate.

Just because you know a martial art doesn't mean you'll win a fight just means you're a little better prepared.


Martial arts learner 7 years ago

Tnx for the great articles, my question is,

If I was walking down the street and I get in a fight, what martial art is best to learn to win the fight?


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EdwardO. 7 years ago from El Paso

Best defense: Track if the guy (or woman) has a knife outrunning him is the perfect defense. You gotta watch with any MA claiming knife defense, that shit is difficult and many places don't train in (Or, is it 'with'?) aliveness. Not a bad article.


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Martial Artist 7 years ago Author

Glad you found the post informative Barbaric, all of the best


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Martial Artist 7 years ago Author

Very true indeed Barbaric and ok to people starting martial arts now it might sound stupid but 90% of the time just walking away or running(especially when a knife is involved) is always the best answer. Why put yourself to the risk. If you are not exceptionally well trained you will get cut..I got cut and I do martial arts almost for a living. One will never to rarely see a highly trained fighting specialist getting involved in bar brawls..on the contrary, they are most of the time the peacekeepers. Why? Well because they know they can dominate everyone in the bar and don't need to prove something to themselves they don't already know and they will also tell you it's not worth the effort and I agree. It's always the wannebees starting fights. So be a true fighter..not a wannabee. Walking away might look weak, but if you know how to fight walking away is the ultimate test of self control and also the most difficult but most worthy win achievable


Barbaric 7 years ago

As I said in another post, one must be diligent in his training and have a good instructor. A person who stands around the water cooler and gossips when taking Krav Maga lessons will fail against one who has trained hard and well in any other art. Find a good instructor and train hard.

As it is, I have no experience with Hapkido, Sambo, Krav Maga, Kali, Eskrima, or Silat, so I cannot speak to the effectiveness of those arts.

I've been in a few real altercations in my life and, to be honest, I would rather give up what I have and run than fight and die. I've run away a few times and I am still alive. I've fought back a few times and I carry the scars to prove it.

The point is having the presence of mind to know when to attack and when to run away. Fighting back is only appropriate when your life is on the line.

I do know, however, that Muay Thai (being a direct striking and defense art akin to western boxing), will serve you well early on. I don't get into very many fights because I usually make myself scarce when violence rears it's ugly head, but a push kick to get some distance and a few rapid strikes to the head usually discourage any unwanted altercation, quite often with multiple attackers. Most attackers are just as afraid of violence as the victim.

That said, I will be seeking a Krav Maga instructor soon.

Thank you for your posts on this subject,

Barbaric.


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Martial Artist 7 years ago Author

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Martial Artist 7 years ago Author

if I could add a sixth art it would've been Muay Thai, excellent martial art for self defence largely part to it's straight forward approach of fighting. It's to my opinion the most effective striking art. This is also why Krav Maga incorporated this as their main striking art. The use of elbows and knees is as dangerous as hand to hand combat get. My criticism against Mauy Thai however would be that it has no disarming techniques for guns and knives and this is a huge gap for self defence. I would once again advise just take a look at the knife and gun defences of krav maga in either dvds or youtube. Master them and you have a rock solid self defence art


Alex 7 years ago

I am thinking of studying the art of muay thai. What are your thaughts on this?


Alex 7 years ago

I am thinking of studying the art of muah thai. What are your thaughts on this?


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Martial Artist 7 years ago Author

Greeting,from my knowledge hapkido has the same techniques as aikido with the addition of striking. If this is indeed the case it's a good martial art to study. I would advise diligent and realistic training though. I did aikido for 2 years and when I asked a friend to try and stab me with a rubber knife I couldn't disarm him because he was too fast and kotegaesh was too difficult to apply since I couldn't grab his hand without getting badly hit by the knife. This was largely due to unrealistic training methods where the uki didn't give resistance. This differs though since a friend of mine who started aikido with me, did karate for 8 years and developed some wicked reflexes. He can apply the techniques in such situations with ease which is crazy but true. But he trains specifically for such situations and incorporates his karate if needed. This might also be your case. If you do struggle like I did though I would advise you do a short krav maga course or just lookup the knife and gun defences on youtube and master it. Then you can just use that if you ever need to till your hapkido is on a level where you can properly use it. Ask a friend as I did to test yourself, it's the only you will know. Overall Hapkido is a good martial art though and will help you develop proper self defence. Just remember to train realistic and not get caught up in philosophy where attackers fall by themselves.


Rick 7 years ago

Excellent article. Congrats. I've been training shotokan karate, but got out of it as I gradually discovered we were just trainig to win competitions, in which only harmless strikes were permitted. I couldn't feel safe trainig an art that focused on being harmless. Now, i'm about to start trainig hapkido. It seems a very complete martial art, as it incorporates striking AND grappling. I would like to know your opinion. Thanks a lot in advance!


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Martial Artist 7 years ago Author

My personal opinion about systema is a bit biased. Although they have good priciples they teach students, the techniques they taught me will never, in my opinion, work in a life threatning situation. They don't take the resistance of the opponent into account. For example a defence they taught me was when someone kicks you, you catch his foot between your calf and upper leg, lock it, and throw him. On the street I can't see that working since the opponent has too much leverage to control his balance. But I would definitely recommend systema as a suplementary martial art since the principles of balance manipulation will help develop you main martial art especially if it's a grappling martial art. Some systema schools I see also incorporate muay thai striking as well. If you can find one of them you can't go wrong


Anonymous 7 years ago

I'd like to know what your opinion on how effective Russian Systema would be for self-defense in real life situations.


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Martial Artist 7 years ago Author

I welcome any opinion regarding these martial arts or any other martial art. Speak your mind

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